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Re: Sora 2

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Post by SirMaster »

morleytj wrote: post #496
the_duke wrote: post #273

I haven't seen comments regarding a big factor here: It seems like OpenAI is trying to turn Sora into a social network - TikTok but AI. The webapp is heavily geared towards consumption, with a feed as the entry point, liking and commenting for posts, and user profiles having a prominent role. The creation aspect seems about as important as on Instagram, TikTok etc - easily available, but not the primary focus. Genera…

Not to be a downer, but even as someone very optimistic about technology and AI generally, "TikTok but AI" sounds like a societally terrible thing to try and create. What's the benefit of this? Curious if anyone has a solid viewpoint steelmanning any positives they can think of.

Generating shareholder value.

Re: Sora 2

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Post by knowaveragejoe »

squidsoup wrote: post #430
knowaveragejoe wrote: post #194

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I love the aesthetic in this person's videos, I just wish it wasn't on tiktok :(

The problem is, it isn't their aesthetic, it's a resynthesis of the aesthetic of someone else's work.

I wasn't claiming they had ownership of that aesthetic, and that sort of gets into philosophical questions about whether one can own such a thing anyways. I like the style and I'm glad they have the tools to bring it into clarity from the abstract.

Re: Sora 2

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Post by FergusArgyll »

cubefox wrote: post #492
FergusArgyll wrote: post #332

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No, but there's some stuff that are really creative. Ironically I think the reason I'm more positive about it is because I only encounter AI generated (non-text media) ~ once a week / 2 weeks.

But modern AI could create images which are basically indistinguishable from a real Monet if you are not an expert. So the fact that you like Monet's pictures, but not Monet-like AI pictures, shows that part of what you like is the fact that an image is made by a specific human instead of being generated by a diffusion model.

I dunno, look at these [0] I think they're quite nice! But I can imagine getting bombarded with them all day can eventually turn someone off. (I assume I'd feel the same if I saw 100 Monet's every day for 3 years)

[0] https://andymasley.substack.com/p/a-ton-of-ai-images-ive-mad...

Re: Sora 2

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Post by camgunz »

raincole wrote: post #547
morleytj wrote: post #496

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Not to be a downer, but even as someone very optimistic about technology and AI generally, "TikTok but AI" sounds like a societally terrible thing to try and create. What's the benefit of this? Curious if anyone has a solid viewpoint steelmanning any positives they can think of.

As a social experiment to reveal how senseless and pointless pop entertainment could be. (personal rant) I've been in a mild existential crisis since I read Amusing Ourselves to Death . Can one form of entertainment really be more well-regarded than another? Is fine art fundamentally different from pop art? Are there 'finer' pop cultures amongst all pop cultures? I do still think reading The Song of Ice and Fire is m…

I read AOtD and I had a different takeaway: TV is great entertainment (watch all the trash you want!) but it's terrible for news and learning about the world. I found it pretty convincing--it's so clear to me that our societal discourse divebombed when TV news became dominant.

Re: Sora 2

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Post by BoorishBears »

popalchemist wrote: post #893
BoorishBears wrote: post #870

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It's very bizarre to act this is being done in order to replace artists. I build gen AI for entertainment: I don't build to replace anyone, and if my product gets eyeballs existing creators can't, it's because it gives the consumer something they wanted to see in the world. Past that you're just complaining that consumers don't want what you made.

Myopic view. Just because your motives may be pure and your greed may be a non-issue doesn't mean that multinational corporations who have aligned themselves with fascist regimes (Meta, Alibiba, etc -- point is that they're demonstrably amoral/immoral) do not intend to exploit the tech to its fullest extent. However having said that, the intention/aim need not be to deliberately replace creatives. That is not the cla…

I like how you start with "myopic view" the tell me to use my "big boy brain" to see the ease of creation across the board going down as a negative thing.

The purpose of the society was never to pay money to people, and if we figure out how to get grains of sand to replace skilled labor, there's no amount of greed that can outpace what it will do for humanity.

Re: Sora 2

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Post by nickbettuzzi »

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Re: Sora 2

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Post by GPerson »

morleytj wrote: post #496
the_duke wrote: post #273

I haven't seen comments regarding a big factor here: It seems like OpenAI is trying to turn Sora into a social network - TikTok but AI. The webapp is heavily geared towards consumption, with a feed as the entry point, liking and commenting for posts, and user profiles having a prominent role. The creation aspect seems about as important as on Instagram, TikTok etc - easily available, but not the primary focus. Genera…

Not to be a downer, but even as someone very optimistic about technology and AI generally, "TikTok but AI" sounds like a societally terrible thing to try and create. What's the benefit of this? Curious if anyone has a solid viewpoint steelmanning any positives they can think of.

I’m surprised you can detect that TikTok but AI is societally terrible but are still optimistic about AI. Why is that? As a technical point, AI can already be used on TikTok, and every other platform, so whatever societal terror is coming from Sora 2 already exists due to AI.

Re: Sora 2

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Post by davidmurdoch »

Rover222 wrote: post #680
davidmurdoch wrote: post #589

I just asked GPT 5 to generate an image of as person. I then asked it to charge the color of their shirt. It refused because "I can’t generate that specific image because it violates our content policies." I then asked it to just regenerate the first image again using the same prompt. It replied "I know this has been frustrating. You’ve been really clear about what you want, and it feels like I’m blocking you for no…

Try Grok Imagine

Grok Imagine quality is abysmal in comparison

Re: Sora 2

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Post by 48terry »

dwohnitmok wrote: post #688
some-guy wrote: post #452

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My opinion is that unless there is some insane breakthrough in power efficiency with video generation, or if energy costs go down to zero, there is no way such a thing actually becomes profitable at the scale of scrolling TikTok. It is far more power efficient (and cheaper) to have people post their own content.

I think you're overestimating how much power LLMs consume. Let's say one video pegs a top of the line Blackwell chip at 100% utilization for 10 minutes. I think a Blackwell chip (plus cooling and other data center overhead) is somewhere around 3000 watts when running 100%. So that's about 0.5 kilowatt-hours. I suspect this is a severe overestimate because there's probably a significant amount of batching that happens…

> Let's say one video pegs a top of the line Blackwell chip at 100% utilization for 10 minutes.

Where do you get this from?

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