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ABC yanks Jimmy Kimmel’s show ‘indefinitely’ after threat from FCC chair

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Post by slg »

dogleash wrote: post #888
bluecheese452 wrote: post #717

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Yo. Free speech absolutist checking in. Sick of people racing to chirp that we're nowhere to be found. I'm too detached to doomscroll. Just saw the news now. Honestly, I'm tired of all of the snide remarks from both teams acting like you’re not equally guilty of opportunistically showing up for free speech. And you have the balls to make comments like this as I'm already dealing with the fact Jimmy Kimmel should have…

>Honestly, I'm tired of all of the snide remarks from both teams acting like you’re not equally guilty of opportunistically showing up for free speech.

Yeah, a trans person asking you use their desired pronouns presents the same threat to free speech as the FCC threatening people over jokes. The reason for the "snide remarks" is that people like you are still drawing false equivalencies between "both teams".

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Post by Redoubts »

suzdude wrote: post #417
Redoubts wrote: post #408

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> There are multiple statements from his relatives that his family are "MAGA", his parents are Registered Republicans. Most leftists despise their parents politics. None of this suggests a rightward leaning of the culprit himself.

> Most leftists despise their parents[sic] politics. And do you have a source on that? Anecdotally, most "leftists" I know have left leaning parents. But it's up to the person to define if they are or are not "leftist", because it's a rather narrow, small minded world view that has to define things in those terms. > None of this suggests a rightward leaning of the culprit himself. Nor does it suggest his leftward lea…

> But it's up to the person to define if they are or are not "leftist"

Not really

> it's a rather narrow, small minded world view that has to define things in those terms.

Doesn’t follow. Words have meaning, and can be applied where they make sense.

Re: ABC yanks Jimmy Kimmel’s show ‘indefinitely’ after threat from FCC chair

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Post by Redoubts »

suzdude wrote: post #400
kelnos wrote: post #387

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> There are multiple statements from his relatives that his family are "MAGA", his parents are Registered Republicans. To be fair, that doesn't necessarily say anything about his politics. I know plenty of liberals with MAGA parents. I don't think we can draw any conclusions as to his politics at this time.

Exactly, which was the point Kimmel was making. Apparently that suggestion was too much for the current administration, and the official narrative must not be questioned.

> which was the point Kimmel was making.

This is a really bad misunderstanding of what he said. It’s clear as day, and yet you’re unable to comprehend

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Post by f33d5173 »

nxm wrote: post #820
f33d5173 wrote: post #311

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The left wing is the free speech crowd. The right wing has never had a principled belief in free speech. It was always their intention to turn cancel culture back at their enemies when the opportunity arose. I'm still reeling that it was supposed liberals that came up with "freedom of speech is not freedom from consequences" or "hate speech is not free speech" which are now being used against them. And they have lear…

"The left wing is the free speech crowd. " You cannot be serious with the number of times they have actively cancelled just a speaker talking.

The left has a principled interest in free speech, which they've regularly abandoned. The right has used free speech rhetoric at times, but has no attachment to it as a principle.

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Post by nabla9 »

IAmBroom wrote: post #747
nabla9 wrote: post #147

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Stop criticizing large corporations as moral entities. They have no other incentives other than money. Corporations are amoral (not good or bad). Only money matters. South Park can go on because they make money. Talk-shows are already dying and cutting them is easy choice even under mild pressure. The value talk they use is PR aimed at stakeholders (customers, employees, government). No company has taken a stance whe…

> No company has taken a stance where they willingly accept net negative returns if they have other choice. Demonstrably untrue. Nihilist generalizations make a poster feel cool, but they aren't helpful.

This is not nihilism. We must choose methods that work. Like regulation.

Moral grandstanding does not work.

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Post by nabla9 »

zeven7 wrote: post #763
nabla9 wrote: post #147

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Stop criticizing large corporations as moral entities. They have no other incentives other than money. Corporations are amoral (not good or bad). Only money matters. South Park can go on because they make money. Talk-shows are already dying and cutting them is easy choice even under mild pressure. The value talk they use is PR aimed at stakeholders (customers, employees, government). No company has taken a stance whe…

Organizations are led by humans. > Stop criticizing large corporations as moral entities. They have no other incentives other than money. I want better for the world.

Ask for regulation.

Amoral entities can work towards good goals when incentives are right. Empty moral grandstanding does not help.

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Post by Anthony-G »

_DeadFred_ wrote: post #791
justin66 wrote: post #707

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> you can't really blame ABC for acting as a corporation More accurate to say "I" as you'll find quite a large number of people blaming ABC for their actions in the coming days.

I give them through today before I cancel my Hulu/Disney+ to explain what 'indefinite' is. Fired or a week cooldown? Also, you can cancel and then re-sub right away with one extra click (and keep any discounted rate). Let them see the numbers and a warning.

I had never seen Kimmel until I watched the YouTube clip¹ linked elsewhere in this thread earlier today. After doing so, I cancelled my Disney+ subscription, giving “cancellation of Jimmy Kimmel” as the reason and won’t be in any hurry to re-join (though I heard the new Alien TV show is worth watching).

I hate cancel culture whether it’s coming from the conservative right (we’ve had that in Ireland for most of the 20th century) or the liberal left (more recently) and I believe that comedy should be able to transgress social norms and push up against boundaries but what I saw of Kimmel was wholly innocuous.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-j3YdxNSzTk&t=123s

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Post by mrguyorama »

nebula8804 wrote: post #477
mikepurvis wrote: post #238

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It's astonishing how bad the US political apparatus is at making progress even on matters that easily fall within that 80%, though— healthcare reform, childcare, higher education, common sense gun laws, infrastructure investments. All of this stuff should be a slam dunk to implement with broad coalitions no matter who holds which branches, and yet it's all been basically gridlocked for decades, and instead it's never…

Its not like the US hasn't done big ambitious things before: Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid. Hell didn't they help develop some of the social programs for Post WWII Europe/Japan etc? Post Nixon the government really just got captured and paralyzed and so a generation has grown up not understanding that this is a deliberately broken government, not how a government can operate. Instead people have been raised to…

>Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid.

These were one thing, The New Deal. Done by Democrats who had 90% control of congress, a hyper popular president, and 1 out of every 5 Americans was jobless. When the Supreme Court threatened to push back on The New Deal, FDR threatened that he could pack the court, and that threat carried weight because he actually had the congress to do so, and the public would have been on his side as well. The public wanted The New Deal.

Then the Progressive Democrats got big support on the Civil Rights bill. That support was also used to force, through Federal power, a bunch of sourthern states to stop segregation and other literal racist bullshit. Many federal politicians blamed that on the Democrat party (which is untrue, both support and opposition to the Civil Rights act were bipartisan), and southern states have largely voted Republican since.

Then Carter's "Lets do clean energy and a strong environment and do the hard things to make a good nation" were so thoroughly rejected by the American public that it is considered a huge political realignment, and the Democrat party responded by giving up, and adopting neoliberal policies because they were so fucking popular with the public, that they might as well get rich and elected.

As a result, the Clinton years got us the damn Crime Bill. We also got the Nutrition Facts panel on food, and that thing is awesome in ways I think most people don't realize.

Then, when Obama came close to having real power in congress, we got the ACA.

If you want to see this nation do things, give the people who want to build things actual power. Give the Democrats actual damn power. Not "President and half of one house of congress". That's not how power works in the US system when you are following the rules.

If the Democrats got 60 senators, 400 reps, and the president, maaaybe then they could get something done, but even then, the Supreme Court could trivially stop anything they tried to do.

This is all intentional. It's how the American system was purposely designed. It's hard to build things on purpose.

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Post by dzhiurgis »

snitty wrote: post #239
Waterluvian wrote: post #217

The left wing cancel culture era was stupid, annoying, and wrong, and this upcoming right wing era is bound to be much more stupid, annoying, and wrong.

I, too, remember when Obama has the FCC commissioner threaten to revoke broadcast licenses for the coverage of his tan suit. This type of both-sides-ism is dumb, especially here when one side is using the power of the federal government to get dissenting voices taken off the air.

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