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Re: Streaming services are driving viewers back to piracy

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Post by the_af »

ninetyninenine wrote: post #873
matheusmoreira wrote: post #847

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> someone’s work We don't recognize ownership of ideas as a legitimate concept. Intellectual property is logically reducible to ownership of numbers . All information is a sequence of bits, and all sequences of bits are numbers. All numbers already exist. Humans performing intellectual work are merely discovering those numbers. The entire set of laws supporting intellectual property boils down to making knowledge and…

>We don't recognize ownership of ideas as a legitimate concept. Who is this "we" you're referring to? As far as I know it's you and your 2 or 3 online pen pals because the rest of the world recognizes it as a legitimate concept such that it's been encoded into law and billions and billions have been invested into said said ideas on the assumption that those laws will provide the idea creators with "ownership" of said…

You have it backwards. It's a relative minority that recognizes it as a legitimate concept. It's just that this minority lobbied for the laws.

(As a curiosity, these same minorities lobby for the opposite, or turn a blind eye, when it's contrary to their interests. See the current LLM craze, and also... did you know Hollywood was founded on copyright infringement, and that its location was chosen to enable this? Put that in your pipe and smoke it).

(Or also: many AAA game developers played pirated games in their youth. It was part of their formative years. )

Most people don't believe in the concept. You don't either, regardless of your protests here: you admitted you pirate everything. If you believed this was deeply immortal and harmful you wouldn't.

Your actions speak louder than your words.

Re: Streaming services are driving viewers back to piracy

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Post by the_af »

keeda wrote: post #880
the_af wrote: post #860

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As I said, we already had this conversation ages ago and your side lost. Shout until you're blue in the face, and you'll be just as wrong. I've already stated my position, and "because you can get away with it" is no part of it. You must be confusing me with someone else in this conversation. Half your examples fail to make the point you intend, and are not at all analogous to watching a pirated TV show. A lot of the…

> As I said, we already had this conversation ages ago and your side lost. Repeating that does not make it true. > A lot of the rest use an informal (not legal, and highly subjective) definition of the word "theft" -- but you knew this. Yes, all the examples I gave are exactly of that. I think we are in violent agreement here. > It's exhausting to keep repeating this. I do agree it's exhausting, because neither you n…

You are not "taking" anything. It's not theft.

This conversation was settled, whether you like it or not.

It's as frustrating as debating whether slavery is moral or D&D is satanic. We've had this conversation, it's settled.

Piracy is not theft.

Re: Streaming services are driving viewers back to piracy

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Post by test6554 »

LikesPwsh wrote: post #532
sunrunner wrote: post #61

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And I thought the problem was (just) limited to fragmentation of complete IPs between services. I'd love for someone in the know to explain how you get to this stage. It it some kind of hedging strategy by The Pokémon Company to account for the number of different streaming services (thereby actually making the problem worse)? Was there some kind of timed exclusivity deal that's forced them to put different things in…

Another possibility is that every streaming service wants "Pokémon" and parents don't care which season. So each service buys a single season to tick that box.

This. Pokemon likely has an a la carte menu and platforms can choose which seasons they want.

Streaming services have a limited budget for kids content so they can’t catch em all without sacrificing other kids content. They need pokemon they need action they meed rainbows and princesses and they needs stuff for babies and toddlers.

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Post by the_af »

ninetyninenine wrote: post #870
the_af wrote: post #860

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As I said, we already had this conversation ages ago and your side lost. Shout until you're blue in the face, and you'll be just as wrong. I've already stated my position, and "because you can get away with it" is no part of it. You must be confusing me with someone else in this conversation. Half your examples fail to make the point you intend, and are not at all analogous to watching a pirated TV show. A lot of the…

>As I said, we already had this conversation ages ago and your side lost. I had a conversation too. Several conversations. And I won those conversations so YOU lost. In fact, just imagine every single stance you've ever had on any topic and just know I had a conversation about it in the past, and you lost. My point is. Nobody cares about your conversation especially when ALL of those conversations you're referencing…

I didn't mean us two. I meant the collective consensus.

You didn't win. You lost. Read Free Culture by Lessig.

> My point is. Nobody cares about your conversation especially when ALL of those conversations you're referencing are utterly wrong.

Who the hell is "nobody"? Everything you've said so far is "not even wrong", it's utterly nonsensical. Go read what's been said about the topic for the last two decades, then come back and debate from an informed point of view.

Go back to pirating your games while decrying the harm it does. Your position is so inconsistent it makes no sense to debate you.

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Post by matheusmoreira »

ninetyninenine wrote: post #900
matheusmoreira wrote: post #893

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> So instead of doing the moral thing, you pay extra money for No fucking reason. "No fucking reason" is false. I wrote about the reasons why I pay for games on Steam. > But people still can accuse you of being stupid. I'm okay with that. > Make sure your arguments are legit. Testing my world views is the reason why I come here. > How many billions of dollars and jobs just went down the drain? Not a factor. Jobs that…

Well you’re an outlier. Your refusal to participate in society makes almost everyone on earth disagree with you. You’re suffering from the blowback of your own choices. If society adopted your philosophies, then society would be the one suffering.

I didn't refuse to participate in society. I refused to participate in activities I personally believe are wrong. I don't really plan to take advantage of monopolies if I can avoid it. Whatever privileges I have that allow me to make this choice, I hope I can maintain them indefinitely.

I'm suffering nothing. There is no "blowback". I'm merely explaining to you why I don't believe in intellectual property. Because you asked.

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Post by matheusmoreira »

the_af wrote: post #901
ninetyninenine wrote: post #873

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>We don't recognize ownership of ideas as a legitimate concept. Who is this "we" you're referring to? As far as I know it's you and your 2 or 3 online pen pals because the rest of the world recognizes it as a legitimate concept such that it's been encoded into law and billions and billions have been invested into said said ideas on the assumption that those laws will provide the idea creators with "ownership" of said…

You have it backwards. It's a relative minority that recognizes it as a legitimate concept. It's just that this minority lobbied for the laws. (As a curiosity, these same minorities lobby for the opposite, or turn a blind eye, when it's contrary to their interests. See the current LLM craze, and also... did you know Hollywood was founded on copyright infringement, and that its location was chosen to enable this? Put…

> As a curiosity, these same minorities lobby for the opposite, or turn a blind eye, when it's contrary to their interests.

> See the current LLM craze

Excellent point. Watching the corporations engage in AI washing of massive scale copyright infringement was extremely disgusting.

I don't even fault them for doing it, technology should not be held back due to intellectual property nonsense. It's the "rules for thee but not for me" nonsense that's offensive.

> did you know Hollywood was founded on copyright infringement, and that its location was chosen to enable this?

Plenty of industries were. Samuel Slater, the so called father of the american industrial revolution, memorized british designs before immigrating to the US.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Slater

I used to have a small collection of examples just like this. If I remember correctly, some drug companies chose specific European countries due to their stance on intellectual property.

Infringement is only inconvenient when others do it to them, never when they do it to others. Every monopolist was once an infringer. They always climb the ladder and try to kick it out so the next guy can't touch them.

Re: Streaming services are driving viewers back to piracy

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Post by nephanth »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #631
godelski wrote: post #366

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Piracy also offers: 0. Ability to watch offline! 1. Ability to fix subtitle issues with minimal tweeks like change size or moving location. 1.2 Ability to get subtitles if they aren't offered (or offered in your language) 2. Ability to normalize audio. 3. Ability to buffer videos when on a poor connection. 4. Ability to create collections, organize, and track your movie as you wish 5. Arbitrary number of user account…

This is a case study in why competitive markets are important in general. Copyright is a government-granted monopoly but the monopoly is hard to enforce. It works because most people actually want to support the creators, not because DRM is effective or anything like that. So you have the uncommon situation in which a monopoly (the copyright holder) is operating in parallel to a competitive black market for content d…

On the subject of artificial monopoly, it's interesting to compare video streaming to music streaming.

Music streaming platforms (Spotify, deeper, apple music, tidal etc.) Generally work a lot better than movie/series streaming. It seems that competition between them works quite well, prices are reasonable, and more importantly, any subscription gives you access to pretty much all of mainstream music. There's hardly any content exclusive to one platform, so you can essentially get any of them and be done with it

Contrast that with video streaming, where content is pretty much exclusively tied to one platform. As a consequence, people routinely have several subscriptions instead of one, and platforms compete on library more than on price or quality of service. Overall experience is much worse

I wonder why this difference came to be, although these are very similar services (with basically the same copyright mechanism)

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Post by appease7727 »

The modern piracy experience is exactly what everyone hoped and was promised that streaming would be.

My husband is a non-tech person. I set up radarr and jellyfin, and now he has a website he can go to request any piece of media ever created, and then it magically pops up in the jellyfin app in like half an hour. He can watch it anywhere, at any time, for any amount and number of times. And there are no ads from the service we already pay for. Quality is better, streaming is flawless since it's on the local network. No one is monitoring his views and using it to profile him.

This is everything we all wanted streaming to be, before capitalism (inevitably) ruined it.

And honestly the fact that it's free is irrelevant. Most of us would happily pay for a service that operates this way. But such a business cannot possibly exist under capitalism so we must pirate.

But really, think about the experience of your favorite streaming platform. On radarr, you plug in a search term and you get a flat list of items matching your query and nothing else. The thing you wanted is always in the top three results. When you look at the library, you get a flat alphabetical list of everything available to you at that exact moment. No animated garbage, no endless multi-dimensional scrolling, no dickless executive trying to force you to watch whatever reality slop they're pushing that week.

Simple, respectful, and it shuts the hell up and gets out of your way. You can have anything that humanity has ever produced. There is simply no way for any business to compete. Capitalism just does not know how to make such a thing work.

Oh well, it's not like movie studios and record labels were giving that money to the artists anyway. I'd rather take $30 from Sony than give 15 cents to an artist and $29.85 to Sony.

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Post by tclancy »

qrios wrote: post #481
tclancy wrote: post #427

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What if I have recently watched The Lives of Others? (Which everyone in the US should.)

‘The Lives of Others’ is an outstanding film. However, it is a reappraisal of East German history and was made seven years after the collapse (the director grew up in West Germany and Western Europe). US-America has looked at the subject of surveillance of its own population and its own (possible) collapse many times and often in a timely manner. "The Conversation": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Conversation "Ene…

I’m confused. It was a great movie and wildly applicable to what the right wants to do to the US now. What is too late?

I mean it may be too late to save us/US but it still bears saying.

Re: Streaming services are driving viewers back to piracy

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Post by ninetyninenine »

the_af wrote: post #904
ninetyninenine wrote: post #870

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>As I said, we already had this conversation ages ago and your side lost. I had a conversation too. Several conversations. And I won those conversations so YOU lost. In fact, just imagine every single stance you've ever had on any topic and just know I had a conversation about it in the past, and you lost. My point is. Nobody cares about your conversation especially when ALL of those conversations you're referencing…

I didn't mean us two. I meant the collective consensus. You didn't win. You lost. Read Free Culture by Lessig. > My point is. Nobody cares about your conversation especially when ALL of those conversations you're referencing are utterly wrong. Who the hell is "nobody"? Everything you've said so far is "not even wrong", it's utterly nonsensical. Go read what's been said about the topic for the last two decades, then c…

>I didn't mean us two. I meant the collective consensus. >You didn't win. You lost. Read Free Culture by Lessig.

Who you had a conversation with is meaningless. The winner is what most of the world follows. Not who you personally define who "we" is.

>Who the hell is "nobody"?

Most of the modern world. Most readers on HN. The overwhelming majority of people on this earth are against your opinion.

This "we" you're referring to is an overwhelming minority of opinions.

>Go back to pirating your games while decrying the harm it does. Your position is so inconsistent it makes no sense to debate you.

My position is consistent. I take the role of the villain. I'm a serial killer who is aware that killing is wrong. But I want to be wrong and I don't care for being right.

You're the one who is inconsistent. You're the one rewiring reality to fit your immoral actions. You can't handle the fact that you yourself are a self fish actor.

You want to help the world. Yet you justify paying for things you didn't create because it's more "convenient".

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