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Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Just more proof that the merger/acquisition should never have been allowed in the first place.

Like it or not, mergers/acquisitions are matters of money, not whether you like the product or not. In fact, all corporations are beholden to make the most money, not the best products. Frequently the product that makes the most money is the one that constantly nags you to give it more money, which everyone hates. Today I watched the WHY2025 talk about what happened to XS4ALL (a Dutch hacker-ethic ISP). Here's the su…

At some point, doesn't humankind rise up and demand that our governments stop... you know... actually fucking us like this? After all the trust-busting at the turn of the century, we're right back in another golden age of robber barons, almost as if we learned nothing about this as a civilization. Being paid in company scrip that can only be used in the company's store with products from their global monolith doesn't sound far-fetched at this point. We seem to be heading straight for the cyberpunk version of our inevitable dystopian future.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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> YouTube gaining an “ask a question about this video” button, this is a perfect example of how to sprinkle AI on an existing product. > Extremely slow, but the obvious incremental addition of Gemini to Docs is another example. These are great examples of insulting and invasive introductions of LLMs into already functional workflows. These are anti-features.

The Ask button in YouTube is a game changer for the use case of "what timestamp in this hour-long video talks about topic x?". What's the existing functional workflow for that? Downloading the captions and querying with a local LLM or a very fuzzy keyword search?

Perhaps this is a difference in terminology, but in no way do you need a LLM for fuzzy search. Semantic search, fuzzy keyword search, and text to speech have existed for years and predate the technology for an LLM. In your use-case, do you really need a chatbot to "ask the video" about this, wouldn't a "search in video" function that does the same thing be better?

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Microsoft being the cool guys? The cool guys ? Mwuhahahhaa. This gave me the good belly laugh I needed. For the last 25 years, Microsoft was known for: - being the no. 1 enemy of free software - shipping the worst web browser in existence, despite 80%+ market share - making corrupt deals with governments around the world to tie them to their office software suite - creating vendor-locked proprietary extensions to kil…

This comment comes some 15 years late. Microsoft runs the biggest org on github and has open sourced a lot of their own code under permissive licenses. IE has been dead and buried for ages. Edge doesn't have even close to the same market share and is based on Chromium. They build more and more of their own UIs on Electron. I honestly don't remember when they tried to snare someone to use proprietary extensions to som…

>Microsoft runs the biggest org on github and has open sourced a lot of their own code under permissive licenses.

It's so sad that this is all it takes for some of you lol. A collection of public relations code bases.

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Excel single-handedly redeems Microsoft from being a pure drain on human existence, but I can’t see what the point of the company is beyond that. Enterprise something something maybe. And declining literacy makes Powerpoint unfortunately indispensable.

> And declining literacy makes Powerpoint unfortunately indispensable. I'd argue the opposite: Powerpoint makes literacy decline. "PowerPoint makes us stupid." – General James N. Mattis, USMC [source: https://paulgraham.com/quo.html ]

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Cognitive Style of Powerpoint - Edward Tufte

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Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Microsoft being the cool guys? The cool guys ? Mwuhahahhaa. This gave me the good belly laugh I needed. For the last 25 years, Microsoft was known for: - being the no. 1 enemy of free software - shipping the worst web browser in existence, despite 80%+ market share - making corrupt deals with governments around the world to tie them to their office software suite - creating vendor-locked proprietary extensions to kil…

These are the kind of claims that make some Linux users tiresome to talk to. (Full disclosure: I am also a Linux user). I'm not defending Microsoft, they are not necessarily my cup of tea, but these claims are only true of anything pre-Nadella era (part of 2014 and earlier). Feel free to express your opinions, but don't be hateful!

> but these claims are only true of anything pre-Nadella era

Why does this matter? How does that invalidate anything? Are global companies only accountable for their actions so long as they maintain the same CEO?

>but don't be hateful!

Won't someone please think of the poor global technology conglomerate!

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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> - making cringe hardware that basically noone purchased (Zune, Windows Phone) The Surface looks cool to me, but since it runs Windows, I will never use it. Does it only look cool, or is actually a cool device?

In addition to being able to run any regular Windows application, it had the best and most intuitive feeling UX of any tablet in history. Amongst many other features, window management was gesture controlled and Internet Explorer had an alternate UI that moved the tabs to the bottom of the screen to make them easier to reach. Sadly, Windows 10 removed all the good parts of Windows tablet mode, but its ideas were so g…

This feels more like the OS is what you liked. Nothing really about the hardware which this thread is about regarding Microsoft making crap hardware products. Is the hardware so mediocre that the best thing about it was the OS where nothing about the hardware deserves comments? If that's the case, maybe that points to validating Microsoft makes crap hardware being a true comment.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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I prefer Forgejo, but both it and Gitea support actions like GitHub's. You can have a nice CI/CD pipeline that runs 100% in-house, for free. I adore it for personal projects.

> You can have a nice CI/CD pipeline that runs 100% in-house, for free. Interested! Some detail on how you achieve this for free would be great.

Well, Forgejo’s Actions are very similar to GitHub’s: https://forgejo.org/docs/latest/user/actions/actions/

If you want to run a process after each push to a branch or merge into main or whatever, you describe it in a YAML file in that repo. Configure some workers to run those actions and off you go! I use it for things like running tests and applying Terraform changes.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Are there any improvements to be done to Git? It seems like kind of a solved problem, like word processors or spreadsheets… most “improvements” to those are diminishing returns. I don't mean to sounds like an MS apologist, btw. I fully predicted and hoped for an exodus from Github to GitLab or something back when it got acquired — I'm from the Microsux generation.

Github should have the product sophistication/complexity of Atlassian with the distribution advantage of Microsoft. Anything less is an execution failure IMO. Not even mentioning AI, which is a huge opportunity also.

"more complexity" is kind of a funny ask

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

#909

The CoreAI team is where DevDiv got reorged into earlier this year: https://www.theverge.com/2025/1/13/24342793/microsoft-ai-eng... DevDiv was arguably the place where GitHub would have ended up had it become integrated earlier, so it makes sense that it would end up there.

GitHub was already under DevDiv, with Dohmke previously reporting to Julia Liuson. GitHub was moved under CoreAI in the reorg you mentioned. This move isn't new, it's just now more integrated and widely reported.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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I've heard this story so many times. 1) A company starts by serving a real customer need, is driven by the people doing real (engineers, designers, mechanics, etc.). 2) The company gets large. The hierarchy gets deeper, decisions are made by people removed from the actual work. 3) The company either a) drives away all the people who actually enjoy quality work and stagnates/devolves b) or is bought by a large corpora…

I completely agree with you. The best answer I can give myself to your (perhaps rhetorical) question is twofold: - tech companies, for whatever reason, seem to need millions and millions of funding upfront to get started. Despite a tech company not needing essentially any asset (besides a few workstations and internet connections?). The VC era inherently created a huge distortion so that it's virtually impossible to…

It's actually not rhetorical - I really wanna know what leads to this to-me-obvious contradiction.

One answer is obvious - every organization's primary goal is its own survival. So a democratic state will indoctrinate ("educate") children into believing democracy is the right way. But no school teaches about corporate power structures and cooperatives are so rare that they have little influence on the curriculum.

What I absolutely hated was for example when Microsoft opened an extra curricular program for students to teach them some tech skills and some soft skills and (in exchange?) they were allowed to hang posters promoting their products at school. Linux does not have the money or organizational capacity to do this kind of thing so the entrenched players have a massive advantage.

> The VC era

As a gamedev, this reminds me of how the metagame shifts as the collective playerbase learns the rules of a game - what works and what doesn't. Step 1) IRL you need to build something valuable and you get paid according to how much value you produced. 2) Then people realized you could get a bunch of these builders to work for you and take a cut from each of them - sometimes at least in exchange for providing marketing or "the means of production" but without providing any _real_ (positive-sum) work. 3) And now people realized when you have enough money you can just buy those power structures from step 2 wholesale. Oh and you can buy up housing and take a third of someone's salary too.

A radical idea would changing the law so be that workers own what they produce. This would completely invert those power structures. Need marketing? You as a positive-sum worker hire those zero-sum workers.

But we're heading in the opposite direction instead. All intellectual work has now been stolen and it being resold to people who produced it in the first place.

And then you straight up have people who wanna replace even physical workers with robots. And they sell it to people by claiming they will no longer need to work, which sounds great. Until you realize that up until that point the rich zero-summers at least still needed positive-sum workers. Even governments needed humans to oppress other humans...

> tech jobs will become closer and closer to other regular office jobs

Yep. "We" (technically long before I entered the workforce) had all the power and slowly gave it away because we were interested in the cool tech we were making and not the power struggle that the people who only extract value from us are so good at.

> building products that are useless when not harmful, with no social value

I'd like to see a graph of the percentage of people whose work is positive-, zero- and negative-sum over time. Because I suspect the latter two are growing rapidly.

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