I got us 4chan and 8chan. It got us mass shootings and endless "they are just trolling, they are just teenagers, they are just ironic" chorus constantly bad faith defending the far right.
4chan was started because posters in the Something Awful anime subforum could not stop posting underage child porn which was obviously against the rules. To stop these disgusting freaks from polluting the SA forums with their child pornography and degeneracy, Richard ‘Lowtax’ Kyanka closed the anime subforum (ATDRW aka Anime Tentacle Death Rape Whorehouse) and moot started 4chan. So yeah, 4chans early legacy is ‘a bu…
It existed only on the edges, usually in softer pragmatic forms, and stopped a lot of bad ideas as a pressure group. Characterizing the entire development of software and the internet in 90s-2000s as based on libertarian techno-utopinanism is largely manufactured narrative though. One I keep seeing pop up more and more. Largely by people trying to push poorly though out authoritarian gov-controlled internet by spinni…
I got us 4chan and 8chan. It got us mass shootings and endless "they are just trolling, they are just teenagers, they are just ironic" chorus constantly bad faith defending the far right.
>It got us mass shootings
Americans will blame everything but their gun laws.
Others have said this, I'm sure, but this will move past porn _quickly_. Once there is agreed-up age verification for pornography, much of the professional internet will require identity verification to do _anything_. This is one of the bigger nails in the coffin for the free internet, and this true whether or not you're happy with all the pornography out there.
Already in the works: Australia is quietly introducing 'unprecedented' age checks for search engines like Google - https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-07-11/age-verification-sear...
How do you prove that the generated key by the site is actually randomly generated? I certainly don't trust a random porn site to do this right. If the verified list is tied against identity, there is only a simple law change required to de-anonymize everything.
You don't trust people who run a massive-scale streaming video platform to have the technical chops to generate random numbers?
I trust them to have the capability to do it. I don't trust them to be willing to do it despite legal duress (which is only ever a law-change away).
Yeah, grocery stores swipe ids too. Thankfully I’m too old, they don’t ask. Have to teach kids to not allow it. Definitely stored.
> Definitely stored Not well-designed ones. I think you overestimate how much retailers want to even possess sensitive information like that. What's going to be stored is the fact that an of-age ID was scanned, and possibly the DOB. This is to protect honest cashiers and to have a way to punish ones who might sell to the underage. If an underage sale is reported, they check the audit log and it says the transaction h…
Your comment made sense perhaps only twenty years ago. But today, everyone is desperate for this kind of info. Third-parties provide these services for free or close to it, especially to get access to the data stream.
Someone was on here a couple of years ago stating that even "line item" level data on your receipt is now being transmitted in a lot of cases, and growing.
The bottom line today—never expect a company to default to respect of your privacy. Simply too lucrative.
No, some of them are. More evangelicals than my crowd. Morality bears directly on what we consider to be a just society, so I don’t care if you don’t care. You’re broadening the scope beyond this particular issue, where I’m guessing I agree with you. It’s not virtuous to act right because the state makes you, but the question of what we require and preclude is defined by our moral frameworks at some level. I’m not su…
> Most adults I see are fat, thus gluttons, thus are committing a sin. This is not how fatness works. Some people are genetically predisposed to gaining weight easily. Some people are literally just hungrier and have a higher satiety threshold. This is why "just eat less" is horribly ineffective. Diet and exercise help but are more Band-Aids than a true long-term fix. Many people gain MORE weight after a period of in…
> Many people gain MORE weight after a period of intense dieting and exercise than before
That's because a period of intense dieting is unsustainable non-sense.
Diets as a temporary thing can only give temporary results. Permanent results require permanent changes.
Just don’t consent to sharing your data to third parties for marketing or research purposes. In civilized world there exist laws which give you this right. It is surely not the problem with ID verification or storage.
Giving your data to a website is the same as giving it to a stranger on the bus. Maybe closer to going to a seedy part of town and giving your ID to random criminal and hoping they don't do anything unscrupulous.
It is not the same, it’s a classic straw man argument. First of all, not just some data, but your ID details - this is important detail. Second, not to a random website, but to a website you wish to engage in a contractual relationship and where your ID is actually required. Third, they are unlikely criminal and there are legal protections in this scenario in most civilized countries. Fourth, the way it goes, it is very unlikely that you will be presenting your ID, instead providing attribute proof through a third party. See e.g. Nect Wallet and similar apps. ID verification will not increase your risks of identity theft etc compared to leaks of other PII. Probably the risk will be lower due to higher compliance requirements.
> Why would anyone trust some random blog with their ID? They won't have to, most websites will use 3rd party age verification. This is basically what Doordash and Uber Eats use to verify your age before delivering alcohol or THC to your apartment. Rife for abuse? Absolutely. Will these databases get leaked and increase the chances of your identity getting stolen? Yes. But isn't a small increase to an already-existin…
Those drivers check my ID at the door.
You didn't have to provide your ID when you enabled alcohol delivery? That's how it works in California, at least.
Your ID is effectively stored by the issuer indefinitely. What’s the difference between one and two entities? What’s the difference between two and a hundred?
The more people you give your personal information to, the less personal it becomes. The servers storing this information have been hacked in the past and it will happen again in the future. The fewer places your ID lives, the lower the risk of it leaking. Even if you don’t view the data as sensitive, it still associates a person with a website. Depending on the site, that can have negative ramifications in a person’…
ID verification does not increase risks for majority of people. Most people don’t use single use email aliases and thus harmful association can happen for them in any leak of their account data, with or without ID details. It is likely that higher compliance requirements will actually reduce the risk of a leak. And of course, chances that every website doing verification will store your ID are very low. It‘s costly, so it will likely be outsourced to a third party provider specializing in this job (which will be much more secure than doing it with some WordPress plugin or other shitty custom solution).