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Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Question from outsider: if a Marine uses lethal force against a civilian in this case, in what court will he be tried?

In this case, I would imagine it'd be none, because Trump as commander-in-chief would give orders to military courts to not prosecute, and grant pardons to anyone who gets dragged into the civilian court.

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This is terrifying and unconscionable. Hard to believe this is the USA today. I don’t really see this de-escalating given the ongoing rhetoric but I hope I’m wrong.

It's terrifying, certainly. One man was taken into custody for allegedly throwing a Molotov cocktail at an officer and a motorcyclist was arrested for ramming a police skirmish line. https://www.yahoo.com/news/kill-l-police-attacked-fireworks-... Los Angeles County Sheriff Robert Luna said "you had people who were...attacking police officers, deputy sheriffs and causing a lot of destruction." The 101 Freeway shut dow…

I remember back in 2013 in Ukraine, when the government tried to violently disperse the protesters on Maidan, they didn't just throw molotovs - they built a catapult to throw them further. And they burned down several APCs:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzdkzpQRaAM

And you know what? They were justified.

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post #222

As a Hungarian, told my friends in November: "the election results, Project 2025, the newly elected president, etc... is the same old story we have already seen with Orban 10+y ago. But don't worry, the US has a much better established democracy, shit can't really go as wrong as in Eastern-Europe" Well, I'm not so sure about that last part anymore.

I used to think that the quote "Elections have consequences." is much much more benign.

I'm Russian. We elected Putin fair and square back in 2000.

When it comes to consequences of such things, they take time to ramp up (during which time people are usually dismissive of any warnings). The trick is to get out of the country before it's too late.

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any ex-marines here? how would they actually take to the orders that everyone's worried about? "no questions asked"?

Marine officer here (Reservist). The officer corps has a LOT of careerist yes-men, if the enforcement of COVID vaccinations is anything to go by. I know a surprising number of Catholic Marines who refused to get COVID vaccinations and had to deal with significant pressures from senior officers over it. I'm not confident that commanders will refuse orders on the basis that they consider them illegal. EDIT: That said,…

I think the more interesting question is what happens when the right-wing paramilitaries (Three Percenters, Oath Keepers, and various assorted local militias) step in, if Trump gives the military orders to stand aside and let them do whatever.

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Yeah, the whole platform is about Othering. The greatest trick the rich ever pulled was convincing the middle class that the poor are the cause of all their problems.

This one isn't even about middle class vs. poor. The immigration crackdowns are very popular across the entire (R) electorate, regardless of their wealth. It's all about picking out-groups, making them into enemies, and inflicting cruelty on them. That's what that side really wants out of their government. They have a long list of perceived enemies who they are expecting to be able to deliver cruelty to once they're…

> The immigration crackdowns are very popular across the entire (R) electorate, regardless of their wealth.

Sure. The rich (R) electorate gladly watch how the non-rich (R) electorate has taken the bait and is happy chasing after the newly othered.

They won't be happy if the non-rich republicans start taking their aim at lobbying, unfair tax-breaks for the rich, or any form of taxation that prevents them from keeping their ill-gotten wealth.

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I think its reflective of broader society. For this issue in specific- You either think sending the military to break up protests against the wishes of the governor and mayor and against the bounds of the constituion is a problem, or you are insane. When ICE wears masks and whisks people off the street and sends them to overseas torture camps without warning or due process, you are either opposed or insane. There's h…

> To be clear- if you support what's happening here: you are a bad person . i genuinely hate you. This is the kind of political reductionism I was referring to. It's not OK to "genuinely hate" a person (or group of people) you've never even met, based on a single binary opinion you hold.. that's some serious "othering" going on. People aren't so black and white. If your comment was meant as sarcasm I don't get it.

> It's not OK to "genuinely hate" a person (or group of people) you've never even met, based on a single binary opinion you hold

It absofuckingloutely is. Child rapists. All rapists. Wife beaters. And on and on.

Actually there is a very long list of people that I have no interest in spending a single second with.

If a person thinks having heavily armed masked men who refuse to show ID whisking people off the streets with no due process is OK, then that person does not deserve to live in a civilized democracy, and should remove themselves so they are subject to the living hell of uncertainty.

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#907

If illegal immigration is such a problem, why not fine businesses 5x salary for using the labor, for as long as it was used? There are a lot of systems in place to verify working status at this point. It eliminates any incentive to hire this cheaper labor willing to work for lower wages. The people coming will be coming for a variety of reasons but it won't be to take the jobs of the uneducated Americans

Because this isn't about that. This is about having a perceived enemy that only you can fight. If it wasn't immigrants (legal or illegal), it would be a different group, within or outside of your borders. It's fascism 101.

> It's fascism 101.

It is absolutely not. It is politics 101: you are the only one who can solve a problem.

War on Drugs, War on Terror.

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Nobody should be trampled, but for some context there was a Molotov about 10 seconds beforehand, and the first trample was a horse being spooked by some fireworks. Longer vid: https://streamable.com/bc1sog Still doesn't make it right.

Last I checked, police arrests dangers, not shoot them while they are already incapacitated.

Sometimes they put the arrested in direct harm... not the sharpest knives in the drawer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kaw2ecckwWI

Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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post #527

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nobody should be trampled, but for some context there was a Molotov about 10 seconds beforehand, and the first trample was a horse being spooked by some fireworks. Longer vid: https://streamable.com/bc1sog Still doesn't make it right.

Last I checked, police arrests dangers, not shoot them while they are already incapacitated.

Then you haven't been paying attention to policing since its inception.

Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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> The planned decline of America won't be like other countries Maybe bc americans WON'T and SHOULDN'T settle for a decline - they should violently rebel against this mindset and claw they way UPWARDS - there's more room for more growth, even if you lose #1 status and have to settle for #2 for a while you can still catch up etc. It's good that at least the US and China are NOT infected with this degrowth and "cyclical…

Nah, Everything has beginning and end and USA and others are very much near their end. You can't build anything new without destroying old. It is painful to live in "interesting times", but it is part of natural processes when corruption eats away society that is falling apart only this time it is very global. The signs are there, that this is global situation before WW1 or WW2 - status quo has to change, balance of…

> Everything has beginning and end

Most things of real interest do not tbh. The point should be to learn how to play infinite games. Sure, there's hard-to-impossible prices to pay, and/or to force others into paying. But what if it can be made to work, won't any price be worth it for that... ?

The epicenter is where the fun is at, even if the price might be sacrificing things of value for your average population and some unquantifiable measure of fluff like national-identity or whatever people imagine it's real nowadays.

I'm an unashamed globalist, but would rather have a "world village" with the US (despite that US being maybe quite different from what most gen-pop wants) at its heart :P Imagine all the people...

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