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What is the purpose of using a word that means something different than what is currently being discussed? Why not say that children are suffering from malnutrition or food insecurity, rather than using a term used to describe a cause of death? You wouldn't say that someone who choked on a glass of water to have drowned, or someone who received a momentary shock from frayed cord to have been electrocuted. Words have…
I think most (all?) people would understand "starve" to mean to suffer from hunger, rather than to literally die from hunger. Especially from the context.
I decided to pay off a school’s lunch debt
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#902Earlier quoted context omitted.
What is the purpose of using a word that means something different than what is currently being discussed? Why not say that children are suffering from malnutrition or food insecurity, rather than using a term used to describe a cause of death? You wouldn't say that someone who choked on a glass of water to have drowned, or someone who received a momentary shock from frayed cord to have been electrocuted. Words have…
I think most (all?) people would understand "starve" to mean to suffer from hunger, rather than to literally die from hunger. Especially from the context.
What is the outcome of a flame starved of oxygen? A plant starved of light? A person starved of food?
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As someone whose family fled from the ex-socialist state of Yugoslavia (well I guess the state itself was socialist, and the ex- part applies to the country itself, but you get what I mean) - who is very much against socialism - this is an absurd connection to make. We're talking about making sure kids have something to eat at the school they go to every day, not giving the workers the means of production. Not everyt…
I was reacting on taxation praising. Note that author of article act voluntary, which is morally acceptable. Taking wealth from people and relocate is not.
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#906On the off chance you're interested in school lunches I highly recommend watching videos of Japanese school lunches on YouTube. There's a bunch out there now and if you were raised in the American system it will probably blow your mind. The idea that lunches can be freshly made, on site, out of healthy ingredients and children are active participants in serving and cleaning up is just crazy. When I encountered it for…
I felt like a big part of my childhood had been sold to the lowest bidder. It was. Most local procurement laws enforce this.
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There are no moral hazards when it comes to social welfare programs. People really think there are, but every time we look we find practically no freeloaders. This idea that we have to threaten people with literal starvation to get them to be productive members of society is ironically deeply impoverished. And if we really think that's true, why do we let people accrue wealth at all? Why do we then think that the mos…
>People really think there are, but every time we look we find practically no freeloaders. I don't believe that is true. You didn't provide any support for your claim at all either. Let's just consider a single example: >In the past three decades, the number of Americans who are on disability has skyrocketed. The rise has come even as medical advances have allowed many more people to remain on the job, and new laws h…
People can only eat so much at a single sitting. Even highly-active, sports-team-member, teenaged boys. (I used to be one.) There are no massive opportunities for skimming or graft in the lunch line itself.
What could go wrong?
A child who's not otherwise likely to be in school decides to attend because they get fed. Win!
A child whose family are capable of affording a full-cost lunch free-ride. So what, that's a small fraction of total meals, make it up in taxes! (As I've discussed previously in this thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43895455>.)
Complaints about free meals are like complaining about penny-ante voter fraud. The big opportunities aren't in showing up to polling places, as that's simply too expensive (in direct, physical-space costs). Voter fraud as a viable tactic occurs through unwarranted voter-roll purges, by disinformation about voting times and places, very rarely through corruption of counting processes (voting machines, election judges, and the like). But not by having people showing up to vote multiple times.
Sure, there's opportunity for fraud in school lunch programmes, but it's not transacted through stomachs. It's lunchroom staff skimming the till, it's vendor fraud, it's political corruption, it's kickbacks and sweetheart deals.
All of which are in fact real fraud.
But they are not identified or mitigated through means testing. Rather you want forensic audits, oversight, management practices, and law-enforcement investigating and prosecuting actual political corruption.
The kids eat either way.
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Look into the expression "perverse incentive". Maybe he doesn't want people so thoughtless they'd make children without being able to feed them to do so? Also, too many Americans blindly praising socialism without knowing its consequences in the deep end. It's not all rainbows and butterflies.
Pray tell what horrible consequences you expect from feeding children to ensure they don't go hungry.
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Look into the expression "perverse incentive". Maybe he doesn't want people so thoughtless they'd make children without being able to feed them to do so? Also, too many Americans blindly praising socialism without knowing its consequences in the deep end. It's not all rainbows and butterflies.
i don't think you understand what socialism is. government assistance programs are not socialism.
It's not absolute public ownership of all means of production. But within the continuum between reactionary caveat emptor lessez faire private absolutism and fully automated luxury gay space communism, it's a nudge or two toward the latter.
And an unarguable good, I hasten to add.
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I remember stumbling across one of those videos and just sitting there like, wait… this is real?
A Japanese friend of mine visited an American middle school as part of a science class. He was invited to eat lunch with the students or go out with the staff. He chose (after not having ever been in an American school cafeteria) to sit with the students he had talked to as a matter of respect. He sent me a picture of what he was served -- cold pizza slab with a cup of fruit. His comment was simply "How are you to le…