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Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by throw310822 »

HDThoreaun wrote: post #895
throw310822 wrote: post #892

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> The slogan is a call to kill every single Israeli. ... Where will the israelis be when palestine is free from the river to the see? Oh well, this is just unbelievable. So by your logic the Likud platform, where it claims Israeli sovereignty over the whole Palestine ("from the Jordan to the sea") is a call to kill every single Palestinian? So Israel is ruled since thirty years by a genocidal party? And have you deno…

> What if Israel is dissolved and becomes a different state and Jews and Arabs are both unharmed and free to live in it? What if pigs fly? You know this was the original plan they tried right? > is Likud, Israel's ruling party, genocidal or not? I think they probably will be in the future, but right now they could be enacting a genocide and they are not. Hamas is unable to enact a genocide and empirically it really s…

> What if pigs fly?

Oh why, do you think that people living together in peace and freedom is as physically impossible as pigs flying? Guess what, most people disagree with you, and that's why the protesters chant what they chant. And now disprove this.

> I think [Likud] will probably be [genocidal] in the future

So you tell me, pacific protesters chanting "from the river to the sea" are genocidal, while the party that has the same in its platform, has bombed tens of thousands of civilians and is colonising the West Bank, isn't?

> Obviously but just like most of the shit he says its just a distraction

So you tell me, pacific protesters chanting for freedom are genocidal, the prime minister bombing his neighbours and the president of the most powerful nation in the world declaring they want an ethnic cleansing do so just as a distraction?

Listen, are you for real? Because if you're not purposefully being dishonest, then there's some serious cult shit going on here.

Anyway, that's the end of the conversation for me.

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by bjourne »

liorsbg wrote: post #897
bjourne wrote: post #747

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The proof is supplied by the article: "Multiple independent sources inside Meta confirmed the authenticity of the information provided by the whistleblowers. The data also show that Meta removed over 90,000 posts to comply with TDRs submitted by the Israeli government in an average of 30 seconds." 90k take-down requests in 18 months is quite a lot.

Proof of takedowns is not proof of algorithm manipulation.

But it is proof of manipulation.

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Post by js4ever »

mmooss wrote: post #871
js4ever wrote: post #590

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Oh, I thought Hamas and Palestinians are not the same? So they are? Interestingly in WW2 a lot of Germans helped to save Jews. Exactly zero gazans helped to save an hostage. Some civilians even held hostages at home themselves.

> Exactly zero gazans helped to save an hostage. What is that based on? Hamas is very different than the Nazis. They are holding hostages in a war - they want the hostages to live or the hostages have no value. The Nazis were trying to murder as many people as possible.

Mein kampf is a best seller in gaza based in number of copies found everywhere there. And hamas promised to kill all jews, not only in israel.

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by bjourne »

edanm wrote: post #832
bjourne wrote: post #749

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> You're technically correct of course. That's the "correct" that matters. Not the "I'd like to put words in your mouth and pretend you meant something you don't". Israel is legal abstraction, not human life and as such has no "fundamental rights" whatsoever. Humans have fundamental rights, however, and those rights always trump the non-rights of state entities. You do know that the reason Zionists harp on about "Isr…

> That's the "correct" that matters. Not the "I'd like to put words in your mouth and pretend you meant something you don't". I think I made it clear that I don't think parent post was saying that. > Israel is legal abstraction, not human life and as such has no "fundamental rights" whatsoever. Humans have fundamental rights, however, and those rights always trump the non-rights of state entities. I don't know what a…

> > That's the "correct" that matters. Not the "I'd like to put words in your mouth and pretend you meant something you don't".

> I think I made it clear that I don't think parent post was saying that.

You did not. You associated them with people who are advocating for a violent overthrow of the Israeli regime and with those who think Israel is the only state without a fundamental right to exist.

> I don't know what any of that means. Does the US have fundamental rights?

No, because fundamental rights are rights derived from natural law, roughly equivalent to the UDHR: https://www.un.org/en/about-us/universal-declaration-of-huma... Did the Soviet Union have a right to exist? Did its dissolution by its leaders violate its fundamental rights?

> > You do know that the reason Zionists harp on about "Israel's right to exist" is to deny the victim's of that state's violence legal redress, right?

> No, the reason Zionists "harp on" about Israel's right to exist is because so many people believe Israel, uniquely among countries, doesn't have a right to exist.

No. They do it because in 1948 and 1967 Israel conducted ethnic cleansings of Palestine and drove out its native inhabitants to create a Jewish supremacist state with a Jewish majority. Zionists can't (for now) argue that ethnic cleansing is alright, so instead they argue that if the victims of those cleansing were allowed to return, Israel would no longer be a Jewish-majority state and that would somehow violate Israel's fictive "fundamental rights". E.g., the Palestinian majority would probably prefer if the name of the state was changed (back) to "Palestine" rather than "Israel".

In the 1990s there was a British boxer who suffered severe brain damage during a fight and was paralyzed. So he sued the British boxing federation for medical negligence since there was no ringside doctors present. The compensation the court awarded the injured boxer was so heavy that the British boxing federation had to sell everything and eventually it went bankrupt. Did the verdict violate the British boxing federation's "right to exist"?

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Post by kombine »

steventhedev wrote: post #786
kombine wrote: post #606

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That was not the point. You can hire both Russians and Israelis, as long as they were not involved in the occupation of Ukraine and Palestine respectively. It gets more trickier with Israel, because of the mandatory conscription to the occupying army, whereas virtually all Russians working in tech that I personally know never served in the Russian military.

At no point did submeta qualify their statement to only apply to former soldiers. Quite the rather - they removed the nuance that did exist in their quoted propaganda articles and made it explicitly based on national origin only.

No, submeta specifically talked about people with "strong ties to Russia" and "strong ties to Israel". This needs clarification, but in the context of the article this clearly means to the country's governments or military, not any random national.

> their quoted propaganda articles

Their comment is now flagged, but from memory the articles they linked were factual. You can label them propaganda all you want, this does not change the truth.

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Post by therealpygon »

aucisson_masque wrote: post #24

I like to think we are in a better place than russia for instance with all its propaganda and jailed journalists, but then i see these kind of article come over and over.... Most of the people in the 'free world' goes on mainstream media, like facebook to get their news. These companies are enticed to 'suck up' to the government because at the end they are business, they need to be in good term with ruling class. you…

Sadly, that situation is also contorted to legitimize the spread verifiably false information by certain current political cults, led by a Turnip, that claim it is another party controlling media because they believe that they have the secret access to the “truth” that is being “blocked” on all other sources of media, and point to other suppressed stories (even if completely unrelated or blocked due to being outright lies) as proof. Look at attempts to curtail the spread of completely false vaccine information that is now being used as proof of something nefarious (even while more nefarious activity is being perpetrated). Some people took notes from other Dictators’ control of media long ago and have been working toward it for many years via press-related misinformation to cause a loss of confidence. You would think the press would fight back harder against being de-legitimized, using stronger wording and calling lying what it is, but when your purse strings are being controlled by the same businesses that see opportunities to advantage themselves, it’s not surprising.

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Post by baq »

Retric wrote: post #809
baq wrote: post #794

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I’m saying ‘free speech is an obvious weakness’, not ‘we should disallow free speech’. Very different things.

Having outside actors in the conversation is a strength.

They are noise generators with a goal of raising the noise floor above the pain threshold, in essence they’re using free speech to shut down free speech itself.

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Post by woooooo »

rayiner wrote: post #795
woooooo wrote: post #731

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Worth considering if this is what you voted for. Was the moment of pique worth it?

I’d rather have JD than Trump, but otherwise I’m thrilled. I don’t know what you mean by “moment of pique.” Ross Perot got like 20% of the vote. MAGA basically realigns the GOP to absorb the Ross Perot Democrats and Buchanan Republicans while pushing out the neocons. It’s not a new set of political beliefs.

By "pique", I mean that the motivating factor I've heard from most Trump people, and that I'm reading from your posts, is "make the libs cry".

First term was fine, he was mostly harmless and made the libs cry every day with fake culture war stuff.

In 2024 I get the impression people were voting for a repeat of that, not some crazy reconfiguration of the entire economy. Trump ran on "they're making your kids trans and the Somalis are eating dogs", not "we will end global trade and deport anyone who criticizes Israel".

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Post by xg15 »

MasterIdiot wrote: post #651
bawolff wrote: post #258

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> If you have valid rules but in practice only enforce them against a single group I'd agree. Is there any evidence that that is happening here? The article reports on israeli take down requests but does not report on take down requests from other groups. Meta could very well be using the same rules against pro-israel groups, we just dont know because the leak didn't include that information.

anecdotally Meta has pretty lax moderation against anti-palestinian in Hebrew, allowing tons of extremely racist/violent speech.

Yeah, probably because it's Hebrew and no one outside Israel will read it anyway.

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Post by hsuduebc2 »

aprilthird2021 wrote: post #866
hsuduebc2 wrote: post #842

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I understand, but I don't perceive them as tyrants in the "Russian" sense. That’s not to excuse anything, of course. There’s this strange tendency among Russians to almost embrace suffering—and to try to drag everyone else down with them. It’s as if it doesn’t matter that they live in poverty or that their country is ravaged by oligarchs and mafia. What matters is that Russia is big and strong. That seems to be their…

Yeah unfortunately we thought the end of history would be the global spread of liberal democracies, but it's the global spread of this kind of stuff instead

To be honest, I think things have just become more visible and easier to interpret for those who are paying attention. I don't believe people have really changed.

The "end of history" theory today comes across, if not arrogant, then at the very least deeply naive.

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