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How much do you think it costs to make a pair of Nike shoes in Asia?

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Post by LPisGood »

briandear wrote: post #763
consp wrote: post #740

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SE will one day realize they are as screwed as the average worker and unionize in some way. The endless money pits are not for every SE, even today the majority does not work for the creme-de-creme of well paying companies. While specialists and smooth talkers might profit from the current model, as always is the case, most won't.

Then when they unionize, all the software jobs will head to cheaper locales. Unless of course you’re suggesting that the U.S. use tariffs on labor to prevent that?

“If you unionize, all the jobs will leave” is the oldest refrain in the book for those opposed to united labor.

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Post by Vinnl »

briandear wrote: post #763
consp wrote: post #740

Earlier quoted context omitted.

SE will one day realize they are as screwed as the average worker and unionize in some way. The endless money pits are not for every SE, even today the majority does not work for the creme-de-creme of well paying companies. While specialists and smooth talkers might profit from the current model, as always is the case, most won't.

Then when they unionize, all the software jobs will head to cheaper locales. Unless of course you’re suggesting that the U.S. use tariffs on labor to prevent that?

I work for a US org that also hires internationally, including Europeans like me. It does location-based pay, so we're much cheaper than especially my Silicon Valley colleagues, yet somehow, we keep hiring there more than we are in Europe.

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Post by iamacyborg »

blacklion wrote: post #893
iamacyborg wrote: post #726

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Licensing is about 10%, nowhere near 50. https://assets.ctfassets.net/ost7hseic9hc/1alE9DriNd0GJq1SYK...

Oh, thank you, I should not trust videobloggers when it is possible to check primary documentation.

Other interesting bit, they now have recurring revenue from 207k subs

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Post by yosito »

horns4lyfe wrote: post #621
yosito wrote: post #592

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> We need to anticipate a future where China is equal to America I'm a US American living in Asia. I can't tell you with 100% certainty that in terms of technological progress, China is far far ahead of the US.

Can’t or can?

Can. Autocorrect.

Re: How much do you think it costs to make a pair of Nike shoes in Asia?

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Post by moate »

TulliusCicero wrote: post #720
marenkay wrote: post #701

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But I think we're missing an important point here: moving production to low cost environments just moves costs from business costs into external costs, putting them on society. As for productivity, I think that's an issue that could be addressed but people generally avoid the answer to the why question.

> moving production to low cost environments just moves costs from business costs into external costs [Citation needed] Of course that can happen, but it's hardly guaranteed. If a company in the US moves a call center to a lower cost city, that's hardly foisting externalities onto anybody. > people generally avoid the answer to the why question. What does that even mean? What "why" question?

Typically when people say cryptic things like that it's because they hold some unhinged opinion, eg "Yes, schools in urban centers perform worse but nobody wants to answer the real 'why' question. Personally I think the black community...devolves into racist rant held up by racist 'science'".

So OP, you want to defend your honor by making transparent what you intentionally left opaque here?

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

Symbiote wrote: post #472
jdasdf wrote: post #422

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>Most of the stuff the UK is struggling with (transport, healthcare, energy) are "state capacity" issues. None of those are state capacity issues. Those are "State is pointing a gun at anyone who would fix them" issues. Friendly reminder that 95%+ of the UK railway system was built by private for profit companies, with state involvement being primarily limited to not preventing it from happening. All of these issues…

Railways and electricity are run by private companies in the UK. They've had 30 years to make it work, and have failed.

They've "made it work", just the companies "work" is transferring funds to the shareholders/owners.

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Post by mcosta »

hattmall wrote: post #676
phkahler wrote: post #314

I've always wondered why the supply chain has exponential price increase at each step. The example given (guessed at) is the factory produces the shoe for $12.5 and sells it to Nike for $25. Nike then sells it to Footlocker for $50 and they then sell to a customer for $100. Everyone expects to mark up their costs by about 100 percent. Why is that the case? Even if we say the markup isn't 100 percent, why is it a perc…

It's more of a work backwards thing. The price is set by demand, what the market will bear, etc. Then for well established supply chain / commodity goods overhead tends to rise to meet COGS. The reason is that there exists profit taking at every level of "overhead" but when the cost of revenue exceeds the cost of goods it becomes a marker of inefficiency. In the same way when manufacturers recognize that their cost a…

> when the cost of revenue exceeds the cost of goods it becomes a marker of inefficiency

Welcome to Europe

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Post by Workaccount2 »

pishpash wrote: post #760
hkt wrote: post #480

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Americans might not know their number is up explicitly, but they can smell it. The days of US hegemony are numbered. In one way or another, people get it. Why else would they want to Make America Great Again? It is an inherent recognition of decline.

Yes and no. The MAGA revolution is internally carried by the lower class not associated with and uninterested in geopolitics. In fact they believe in exceptionalism and don't understand why they feel exploited and don't know who is doing it. However it would not be possible politically if not tolerated by the upper class who is smelling decline (of their wealth), because competition has moved into their part of the v…

I am deeply curious to see how people on the left will digest Trump if he doesn't get reined in by congress/wealthy people. I think a lot of them are going to be caught flatfooted if he gets his way with taxes (no income tax under $150k, no tax on tips), and if he gets his way with global trade restructuring (on shoring of blue collar work).

Trump is currently causing an earthquake on behalf of the middle-lower class. Maybe blue tinted glasses prevent them from seeing it, but right now he is definitely doing the opposite of "entrenching the power of billionaires and the elite".

Unfortunately, I believe that this is a severe miscalculation on Trumps part, as the "kill the billionaires" class seems to be much more fueled by anger than by rational understanding.

Re: How much do you think it costs to make a pair of Nike shoes in Asia?

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Post by TrapLord_Rhodo »

The problem i have with this article is they use a "Hypothetical shoe" that retails for $100, but then directly quote a $220 shoe for the "American Made" side. Then use this as the entire justification for the price disperity. People absolutely pay $220 for "Chinese made" shoes too. It's all about branding...

Rockwell is price competitive with both kuka and fanuc. If you want to talk about 'Difference in manufacturing cost', why don't we start there?

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Post by mapt »

mapt wrote: post #833
wkat4242 wrote: post #667

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I'm kinda surprised people aren't just buying a 3D printer. I print stuff all the time. I'm not into this kind of game but if I were I wouldn't pay that much for a piece of plastic I can print at home for 3 bucks.

Resin prints are production quality, but a messy/toxic process. We need a resin printer tuned for mass production of tiny pieces, just like belt FDM printers are tuned for mass production. FDM prints are either slow or have obvious layer lines or both. If you're painting it maybe that doesn't matter.

Additionally: If you want to _mass_ mass produce these things, an injection molding setup is going to be your goal. You can sort of hack one together for plastic molding using a pneumatic/hydraulic cylinder and some mold plates that are either cast metal (lost-PLA, lost-wax), cured plaster, or CNC'd. The stuff that will give you five million units a day costs as much as a house, but there is a middle ground that is competitive with FDM on quality but significantly faster for more like $300-$3000.

The limitation with injection molding is typically the cost and complexity of having mold plates made when you don't have a demand for all that many units.

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