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What do you mean? There's literally tons of evidence. Do you think fluoride doesn't actually reduce cavities?
You can’t win. Freedom, IQ, precious bodily fluids. There’s no end to the nonsense. My city started fluoridating a few years ago. The crazy was off the chart, they’re still active. NYC has fluoridated for 60 years, you’d think someone would have figured out that the entire city is dumber.
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I don't think it's about hard data and optimization of health, but rather bodily autonomy. I'm sure there are plenty of chemicals that could be forcibly put in the drinking supply that, based on current scient, would be beneficial for the public. But I would still be skeptical. Sell me these substances in my food or toothpaste, but don't put it in my drinking water by default. It's also worth noting about 3% of weste…
Many places in Europe have high levels of fluoride in their water naturally. In fact many of them are likely getting far too much fluoride. Also realistically, if people cared about bodily autonomy cars would've been banned immediately thanks to the amount of particulates and local pollution produced causing far more adverse health effects.
Also important to note no one is banning flouride. They're preventing it from being put in the drinking water. The equivalent would be if cars were distributed upon arriving to the state.
Utah has naturally occurring fluoride in their water and some water systems its more than double(2.0mg/l) what they add to prevent dental issues. Why were they fluorinating their water? https://cascadefamily.com/images/WaterFluoridationLevelsUtah...
Most places in Utah already don't add flouride to water. So why pass a law to ban it?
That’s going to go poorly. A Canadian city removed fluoride from water in 2011 and reversed that decision 10 years later. There’s hard data on the effects and they’re not good [0]. [0] https://www.npr.org/2024/12/13/nx-s1-5224138/calgary-removed...
I don't think it's about hard data and optimization of health, but rather bodily autonomy. I'm sure there are plenty of chemicals that could be forcibly put in the drinking supply that, based on current scient, would be beneficial for the public. But I would still be skeptical. Sell me these substances in my food or toothpaste, but don't put it in my drinking water by default. It's also worth noting about 3% of weste…
Putting fluoride in water promotes freedom. That sounds crazy, but let me justify it. If you are poor you can't go anywhere or buy anything. You're not free if you're poor. If you are sick, you may be confined to a hospital bed or not feel good enough to do anything. If you are sick you're not free. Putting fluoride in water reduces dental costs and incidence of cavities and therefore tooth infections, particularly a…
Always question whenever a highly educated and thoughtful (and likely wealthy) person like this commenter is telling you poor people are too stupid for their own good and can’t make decisions for themselves. This is the definition of the principal-agent problem. Also, “positive freedom” is a hilarious rebranding of dictatorial decision making. Why not grant more “positive freedom” to the people by deciding exactly wh…
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What do you mean? There's literally tons of evidence. Do you think fluoride doesn't actually reduce cavities?
You can’t win. Freedom, IQ, precious bodily fluids. There’s no end to the nonsense. My city started fluoridating a few years ago. The crazy was off the chart, they’re still active. NYC has fluoridated for 60 years, you’d think someone would have figured out that the entire city is dumber.
The Flynn Effect was the observation that real IQ scores were increasing over time. But sometime around 1990 this seems to have stopped in pretty much the entire developed world, including the US. I'm not implying that this is solely due to fluoridation, though it's certainly a plausible contributing factor. But as for your snark about 'someone would have figured out people are getting dumber' - well, they have, and we don't know why.
[1] (pop media coverage of study) - https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/a43469569/american-...
[1] (study - no paywall!) - https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S016028962...
Anyone else gets reminded of General Jack D. Ripper in Dr. Strangelove?
That’s going to go poorly. A Canadian city removed fluoride from water in 2011 and reversed that decision 10 years later. There’s hard data on the effects and they’re not good [0]. [0] https://www.npr.org/2024/12/13/nx-s1-5224138/calgary-removed...
Unfortunately, hard data is not acceptable. This is how it works for the current administration: All previous data is ignored because of political reasons. Teeth to slowly rot in heads. Sometime in the 2030s, local voters will notice they have very bad teeth. Locals will debate if adding fluoride is going to make teeth great again.
2012: https://fluoridealert.org/content/50-reasons/ Highly recommend visiting the link for details about each point and references (it is not that long), here is a summary, don't comment if you haven't visited the link: 1) Fluoride is the only chemical added to water for the purpose of medical treatment. 2) Fluoridation is unethical. 3) The dose cannot be controlled. 4) The fluoride goes to everyone regardless of age…
I draw your attention to the first sentence.
Also this is interesting:
Fluoridation may be useful in the U.S. because unlike most European countries, the U.S. does not have school-based dental care, many children do not visit a dentist regularly, and for many U.S. children water fluoridation is the prime source of exposure to fluoride.
People who want to remove fluoride from the water should visit countries where fluoride is not added and look at people's teeth. I live in France and it's just so obvious that people grew up without fluoride — even celebrities try to talk without showing their teeth when they're on TV! I'm all for getting consent in most cases, but sometimes you'd have to be an idiot not to take the obvious win. It's like we were del…
US is an outlier there, so there is that.