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U.S. pauses all military aid to Ukraine

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The nukes were never under Ukraine control or possession. It's like saying Turkey has nukes, they don't, they are US nukes.

It was considered enough of a big deal that there was a Treaty about it.

It was a "memorandum", which is actually not a binding treaty as far as I understand.

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"Free world" my ass. As a European, the US has always been my favorite country and I've been basically universally pro-US all my life. The Recent US decisions managed to turn it 180 degrees for me, in a matter of basically a couple of months. As I consider myself to be a more or less statistical normie, I assume theres many, many more people like me. So: fuck US & eat shit, go suck Putins dick while the EU & the rest…

Was the US still your favorite during the Bush administration?

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I'm not sure what to think. Ukraine can't militarily defeat russia or reclaim its lost territory, and as long as it continues to try to do so, there will be war and the world will be less stable. But if a line is not drawn against russia, I think we have every reason to believe putin will continue to conquer more land over time. Russia is the source of instability, but it can't be defeated or reasoned with. What to d…

In theory West could offer something in exchange for peace, so that Russia will not want to break it, for example: withdrawing NATO forces from Eastern Europe, withdrawing nuclear weapon from Europe, lifting sanctions, paying a compensation for losses due to sanctions etc. There is actually a whole spectrum of options for negotiations.

The carrot is that Russia will probably be allowed to keep their ill-gotten gains in Ukraine. Some sanctions relief might be on the table as well. Dealing with a stupid, yet dangerous state like Russia, a carrot only works with a stick. All your suggestions effectively allow Russia to be even more brazen in its imperial ambitions going forward. That would be a big mistake. Conquering land needs to be prohibitively expensive. And for the sacrifice Ukraine is giving,they need proper assurances that they won't be attacked again a few years down the line.

European troops in Ukraine, adding them to a new European nuclear umbrella, and giving them a pathway towards EU membership and a "Marshal Plan" to rebuild are the kinds of things Ukraine needs to feel any kind of confidence in a ceasefire or peace agreement.

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It’s appalling to see so many comments here defending what’s going on. I’m trying to take it in good faith and accept these people actually think this instead of being paid to spread Russian disinformation. So, for those that are in good faith, as an European, I’ll explain mine (and my close circle) position: It’s true that the USA doesn’t have any obligation of helping Ukraine and should be up to us, Europeans, to s…

Do you remember what happened when Russia tried to install missiles in Cuba? The USA put its foot down and was willing to have a nuclear war. Same thing is happening in Russia, making Ukraine part of NATO is just too close. Why is it so hard for people to understand this?

Nobody installed any missiles in Ukraine. As to alliances, Cuba remained an ally of the USSR until its very end in 1991.

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Amazing to see Russia win the Cold War—one we didn’t even know we were in. Their propaganda network is so strong that it took 3 weeks to go from “Russia is the enemy” to “eh, we have other problems” amongst the folks who…subscribe accordingly. Absolute masterclass in projecting power in the digital age.

US spends trillion in vietname,iraq,afghan etc while people can't afford housing,healthcare and living paycheck to paycheck its hard to care for other people when your basic needs is not fullfill

Trump just raised military spending by $150 billion, but he's dismantling every government agency that "fulfils basic needs" like education, health, and safety.

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Making Ukraine part of NATO is just something Putin made up, not an actual thing.

I recommend reading some of the diplomatic cables on Wikileaks https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/08MOSCOW3127_a.html https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/08KYIV1144_a.html The Ukrainian president who was anti-NATO is the one that the Euromaidan deposed. https://www.dw.com/en/ukraine-scraps-nato-accession-plans/a-... Here's France24's take in 2014 when Ukraine voted to abandon "non-aligned" status: https://www.france24…

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Of course they can defeat Russia, if they’re tenacious enough. Just look at Afghanistan (against both Russia and USA). If the costs ends up being too high, eventually the attacker loses the will to continue the fight. Russia is running out of equipment. What they have left is in an increasingly bad state. Ukraine’s recent strategy of targeting refineries is working fairly well. Ukraine now has domestic laser weapons…

Afghanistan is an awful example because there was a large number of civilians dead as a result (many times more that foreign soldiers), country having to live through several devastating wars, poverty, and a terrorist group became the government in the end. This was much worse thing than what is happening in Ukraine.

So the Afghans should have just rolled over for Russia? I wonder if they’d agree.

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> It would come as no surprise if Russian intelligence has some juicy blackmail material. I’m pretty sure the only blackmail that could be bad enough to motivate Trump would be if he had relations with a minor. I’m pretty sure that’s the only thing that could make the core of his base alienate him. Whatever kinks people speculate about, none of that will matter. In fact, I bet whatever kink he is into would instantly…

I'm not even convinced him doing things witch a minor would make his base hate him. More likely is they'll just call it a lie or excuse it as something like "well she looked old enough. What was he supposed to do, ask for her ID card?"

Well, if he asked for her to look like his 13 (at the time) year old daughter?

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While I find the Russian invasion of Ukraine appalling, as a counterpoint to all the "Trump is destroying the US' reputation" mono-point that I've read so far (although I agree with that, too): John Maersheimer [1] gave a great explanation and prediction (~10 years prior) of why the whole thing happened. The US saw Russian weakness, decided to expand NATO to Ukraine, and the Russians said "no way will we let NATO be…

Mearsheimer is on the Russian payroll through the Valdai Club, which was set up to influence Western thinkers. He omits facts or twists them to fit his narrative. So it's no wonder that Russians have paid to have his books published. If you are listening to anything he says, you are ingesting Russian propaganda. It's like trying to learn about Germany from revisionist Neo-Nazi literature paid by a "friends of the SS" type of organization. Not a good idea unless you are an expert who can spot the distortions.

Mearsheimer's manipulations become very obvious when he faces a knowledgeable person who is not easily fooled by him. Such as Radoslaw Sikorski, the foreign minister of Poland. Sikorski and Mearsheimer held a public debate over Ukraine, and Mearsheimer was utterly humiliated when he tried to argue against Sikorski about events he has only read about, but where Sikorski was a direct participant.

The debate: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivcSVG5eCeQ

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Of course they can defeat Russia, if they’re tenacious enough. Just look at Afghanistan (against both Russia and USA). If the costs ends up being too high, eventually the attacker loses the will to continue the fight. Russia is running out of equipment. What they have left is in an increasingly bad state. Ukraine’s recent strategy of targeting refineries is working fairly well. Ukraine now has domestic laser weapons…

> Of course they can defeat Russia, if they’re tenacious enough. Just look at Afghanistan (against both Russia and USA) Ukraine is steppe and swamp, very flat. Afghanistan .. is not.

And we saw what happened when Russia approached Kyiv.

It goes both ways, there's a reason why Russia has more than 900.000 casualties in 3 years of a "3 day special military operation".

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