Death to intellectual property!
Meta torrented & seeded 81.7 TB dataset containing copyrighted data
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They have no morals, therefore I shouldn't either! That'll teach 'em!
A whole lot of people in the tech scene got really mad when Huawei was using obviously stolen Cisco designs and code for their switches. Didn’t humanity benefit from having cheaper access to switches because they didn’t have to pay for Cisco’s sunk costs? A whole lot of people got mad when Microsoft reportedly ganked open source code for things like DNS. Didn’t humanity benefit from one of the world’s most popular se…
I’d completely disagree, because China was the beneficiary and it destroyed North American jobs.
China needs to respect the American trademark system!
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If buying is not owning, piracy is not stealing.
Whereas i agree that the current regime of "licensing" is not good, I simultaneously find it incredibly selfish to believe that one has the right to any content one likes. "Own nothing" is bad, but so is "access and share anything." Both positions are too extreme.
I try to buy/rent/legitimately stream all the media I consume. But I've run into issues where I would "buy" a license to a movie, and suddenly I don't have access to a movie. I'm sure it was for some publishing licensing legal reason, but the fact remains that they kept my money I paid for the movie and I don't have what I paid for.
I wouldn't say I have a fundamental right to any content, but certainly I have a right to content I paid for.
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I always tell the story of this restaurant 18 km from my house. If I order their cheapest 6 euro hamburger they deliver it for free within 30 minutes. If I take a taxi to the restaurant I may have to wait for an hour and it costs about 100 euro and another 100 to get back.
There is no way anybody is making a profit on driving 36 km to deliver a hamburger for 6 euros, and it's a matter of time until whatever faucet of VC money subsidizing this runs dry. In much of the world the price of food delivery has risen to the level needed to make it profitable, and it's not cheap. I paid around $10 in fees plus Uber's 30-50% markups on the food itself to get a couple of burritos yesterday from a…
A 30 min drive would be 7 euro and 3 cent in minimum wage. Then you need a car and you have to fuel or charge it.
The only solution to the riddle I can think of is that (like postal services) they can cleverly combine orders and rarely lose money on delivery. The fast delivery would have to be luck or perhaps the burger preserves poorly?
That the food is absolutely fantastic might also have something to do with it. If they can get food into your mouth repetition is almost guaranteed.
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#906We're grateful to Meta for helping seed and backup our torrents. The more copies the better. Thank you Meta, for helping preserve humanity's legacy! :)
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It would still be unenforceable because there's no consideration. There is nothing of value that the license gives me that I wouldn't already have if the contract didn't exist. I can already read the book, merely by having it in front of me.
How does that give you the right to train an LLM on it? Or are we talking about training an LLM on it and never releasing that LLM to anyone ever? Then I guess it wouldn't matter. But if that LLM is released to anyone, shouldn't the author of the book have a say on it?
> How does that give you the right to train an LLM on it?
Fair use gives me that right, not a contract or license.
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Well when you buy a book, you own the copy of the book. Not the author's life work.
And I disagree with this. IP law should not exist. If I buy a thing it should be mine to do with as I see fit. The more people that share and copy data the better.
You're not an author, obviously. Do you put all - and I mean 100% - the code you write in the public domain?
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#909Earlier quoted context omitted.
A whole lot of people in the tech scene got really mad when Huawei was using obviously stolen Cisco designs and code for their switches. Didn’t humanity benefit from having cheaper access to switches because they didn’t have to pay for Cisco’s sunk costs? A whole lot of people got mad when Microsoft reportedly ganked open source code for things like DNS. Didn’t humanity benefit from one of the world’s most popular se…
I’d completely disagree, because China was the beneficiary and it destroyed North American jobs. China needs to respect the American trademark system!
> I’d completely disagree, because China was the beneficiary and it destroyed North American jobs.
a) The whole point of commercial NN services is to replace human labor, and jobs are paid labor. Literally the entire point of LLMs is to destroy jobs; this isn't hypothetical-- US companies have openly talked about having fired people and not filled roles because they either have increased or hope to increase efficiency with LLMs. And that's in tech where there's a chance more jobs will be created as a result-- the situation is far worse in creative fields. I personally know quite a few north American creative workers that have lost their jobs because the studios they work for have replaced almost the entire department with image generators that the remaining workers use to spray-and-pray concept art and game assets. Comparatively, the argument that they will create more jobs-- even as many jobs-- as they destroy is pure speculation.
b) Considering you're willing to have in-group protectionism in the form of nationalism, I'm guessing you're willing to extend that to industry, so creative workers don't count? Is it only American tech jobs that count or are you against American LLMs that replace any American workers, also?
> China needs to respect the American trademark system!
Trademarks? I assume you're talking about the patent system rather than logos... and legally they don't, actually. The US doesn't respect Chinese patents, either. How many times have you heard of a US company stopping doing something because a Chinese company patented it first? Do you really think we just invent everything first over here?
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I sometimes think my adblocker should very much lie to the page that "yeah, watched that, totally" in an undetectable way.
https://adnauseam.io/
It takes like a quarter hour to process the entire ad blob on my old machine, and it's over $70k in ads clicked.
Between that and pihole I see very few ads. Being out and watching a yt video is shocking with how many ads there are - and what type.