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Re: OpenAI O3-Mini

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Post by ktzar »

nextworddev wrote: post #444
n0id34 wrote: post #437

Is AI fizzing out or just me? I feel like they're trying to smash out new models as fast as they can but in reality they're barely any different, it's turning into the smartphone market. New iPhone with a slightly better camera and slightly differently bevelled edges, get it NOW! But doesn't actually do anything better than the iPhone 6. Claude, GPT 4 onwards, and DeepSeek all feel the same to me. Okay to a point, th…

on the contrary, it's accelerating since they unlocked a new paradigm of scaling

I don’t think they’ve improved much for common use since GPT-3.5, to be frank. They’re cheaper and more ubiquitous, yes, but when it comes to summarizing and generating basic text, they’re pretty much the same as they were back then

Maybe we're just getting more used to make it part of our workflow.

Re: OpenAI O3-Mini

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Post by solumunus »

northern-lights wrote: post #700
anonzzzies wrote: post #676

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On both HN & Reddit, I find the comments more informative and less frustrating than reading the article usually. But I guess YMMV.

10 years ago Reddit used to be a place where you would get informed opinions and less spam. 5 years ago, HN used to be a place where you would get informed opinions and less spam. Neither of them will go back to the same level of quality. Not anymore.

And yet the comments still provide more value than the article, almost always.

Re: OpenAI O3-Mini

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Post by graeme »

famouswaffles wrote: post #584
nimithryn wrote: post #523

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Am I the only one who thinks that R1 is awful at creative writing? I've seen a lot of very credulous posts on twitter that are super excited about excerpts written by DeepSeek that I think are absolutely absymal. Am I alone in this? Maybe people have very different tastes than I do? (I have no formal training in creative writing, though I do read a lot of literature. Not claiming my tastes are superior - genuinely cu…

I mean, do you think this is awful ? https://pastebin.com/Ja14mt6L

It's full of inconsistencies, written by someone imagining the sea who has never seen the sea. For example, salt crusted wings of a gull. Gulls don't have salt crusted wings.

It tends towards purple prose and doesn't maintain internal consistency in its own world. He sleeps on a pallet but swings his feet off the edge.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purple_prose

Re: OpenAI O3-Mini

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Post by llm_trw »

egeozcan wrote: post #896
llm_trw wrote: post #883

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There are multiple providers for it since it's open source.

Are there any providers that have a chat interface (not just API access) with a fixed monthly cost? I couldn't find one.

you.com when you disable their search the internet feature.

Re: OpenAI O3-Mini

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Post by dbbk »

airstrike wrote: post #46

Hopefully this is a big improvement from o1. o1 has been very disappointing after spending sufficient time with Claude Sonnet 3.5. It's like it actively tries to gaslight me and thinks it knows more than I do. It's too stubborn and confidently goes off in tangents, suggesting big changes to parts of the code that aren't the issue. Claude tends to be way better at putting the pieces together in its not-quite-mental-mo…

I keep coming back to try these models. o1, Sonnet, o3-mini.

None of them can produce correct Drizzle code to save their lives. It is just straight up not possible. It seems they don't even consider TypeScript errors... it is always calling methods that simply don't exist.

Re: OpenAI O3-Mini

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Post by acka »

m0rde wrote: post #823
acka wrote: post #719

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This is why I keep advocating that JSON should die, or at least no longer be used with LLMs. LLMs (and human brains) are simply not wired up for counting nested curly brackets across long spans of quoted text joined by colons and commas, and it is far too easy for humans to make mistakes when chunking JSON. IMO, (Strict)YAML is a very good alternative, it has even been suggested to me by multiple LLMs when I asked th…

Would you elaborate on why counting braces is different from counting spaces to determine hierarchy? Or is it more about the repetition of higher levels keys in chunks (which could be done in JSON)?

Repetition of topics and subtopics is by far the most important part, reinforcing attention on the topic at hand even if the text in the chunk appears unrelated to the topic when viewed in isolation.

Keeping the indentation is also important because it is an implicit and repeated indication of the nesting level of the content that follows. LLMs have trouble with balancing nested parentheses (as the sibling comment to yours explains).

Dealing with text where indentation matters is easier for LLMs, and because they have been exposed to large amounts of it (such as Python code and lists of bullet points) during training, they have learned to handle this quite well.

Re: OpenAI O3-Mini

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Post by bluerooibos »

sixhobbits wrote: post #803

For years I've been asking all the models this mixed up version of the classic riddle and they 99% of the time get it wrong and insist on taking the goat across first. Even the other reasoning models would reason about how it was wrong, figure out the answer, and then still conclude goat. o3-mini is the first one to get it right for me. Transcript: Me: I have a wolf, a goat, and a cabbage and a boat. I want to get th…

That's a pretty common riddle. Here's another "riddle" which it completely flops over -

Me: Here's a riddle for you - a surgeon, who is the boy's father says, "I cannot operate on this boy, he's my son!" Who is the surgeon to the boy?

o3-mini:

Reasoned about riddle solution for 5 seconds Decoding family roles

I understand the riddle's perspective on family dynamics. The surgeon, a father, states he can't operate on his son due to his relational bond. Trying to reconcile familial and professional ties to make sense of the scenario.

Reassessing roles

Taking a closer look, the riddle might highlight a female surgeon as the father's identity, which seems more plausible than the father as the surgeon.

Rethinking the puzzle

It's interesting to see the riddle's reference to gender stereotypes and the confusion caused when considering the surgeon as the boy's mother or step-father.

Highlighting gender assumptions

OK, let me see. The puzzle underlines prevalent gender assumptions, showcasing a female surgeon's wife as the mother and her husband as the child's father. This helps clarify the scenario.

The surgeon is the boy’s mother.

This riddle plays on the common assumption that surgeons (and doctors in general) are male. In reality, the surgeon in the riddle is the boy’s mother, which is why she says, "I cannot operate on this boy, he's my son!"

Re: OpenAI O3-Mini

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Post by bluerooibos »

throw83288 wrote: post #526
vok wrote: post #404

Well, o3-mini-high just successfully found the root cause of a seg fault that o1 missed: mistakenly using _mm512_store_si512 for an unaligned store that should have been _mm512_storeu_si512.

How do I avoid the angst about this stuff as a student in computer science? I love this field but frankly I've been at a loss since the rapid development of these models.

You can ask them this question and all your fears will be washed away, for now..

"Here's a riddle for you - a surgeon, who is the boy's father says, "I cannot operate on this boy, he's my son!" Who is the surgeon to the boy?"

But seriously - AI in the hands of someone well-educated in their field is going to be a lot more powerful than some random person. Knowledge is still going to be valuable, and there are still people out there who don't know how to Google things and figure things out for themselves - so there'll be plenty of people who don't realise the potential of LLMs and won't use them.

Re: OpenAI O3-Mini

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Post by georgeck »

falseAss wrote: post #899
georgeck wrote: post #872

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I have been trying to approach the problem in a similar way, and in my observation, it is also important to capture the discussion hierarchy in the context that we share with the LLM. The solution that I have adopted is as follows. Each comment is represented in the following notation: [discussion_hierarchy] Author Name: To this end, I format the output from Algolia as follows: [1] author1: First reply to the post [1…

I just installed and tried. Pretty neat stuff! Would be great if the addon allows user to override the sys prompt (it might need minor tweak when changing different server backend)?

Thank you for trying out the extension and for this great suggestion!

We've actually been thinking along similar lines. Here are a couple of improvements we're considering:

1. Built-in prompt templates - Support multiple flavors (e.g. On similar to is there already, in addition to knowledge of up/down votes, another one similar to what Simon had - which is more detailed etc.)

2. User-editable prompts - Exactly like you said - make the prompts user editable.

One additional thought: Since summaries currently take ~20 seconds and incur API costs for each user, we're exploring the idea of an optional "shared summaries" feature. This would let users access cached summaries instantly (shared by someone else), while still having the option to generate fresh ones when needed. Would this be something you'd find useful?

We'd love to hear your thoughts on these ideas.

Re: OpenAI O3-Mini

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Post by financetechbro »

bluerooibos wrote: post #907
sixhobbits wrote: post #803

For years I've been asking all the models this mixed up version of the classic riddle and they 99% of the time get it wrong and insist on taking the goat across first. Even the other reasoning models would reason about how it was wrong, figure out the answer, and then still conclude goat. o3-mini is the first one to get it right for me. Transcript: Me: I have a wolf, a goat, and a cabbage and a boat. I want to get th…

That's a pretty common riddle. Here's another "riddle" which it completely flops over - Me: Here's a riddle for you - a surgeon, who is the boy's father says, "I cannot operate on this boy, he's my son!" Who is the surgeon to the boy? o3-mini: Reasoned about riddle solution for 5 seconds Decoding family roles I understand the riddle's perspective on family dynamics. The surgeon, a father, states he can't operate on h…

o3 lost the plot on this one fast. Seems to be relying more on its reasoning and never goes back to re read the original riddle
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