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Re: Trump wins presidency for second time

#902

Even if you support his economic approach, for example, wouldn't his criminal behaviour, or his racist and transphobic views disqualify him? One does not wash away the other.

My two life-long democrat friends that voted for Trump just got tired of this shit , right here. They just don't believe it anymore. Even Andrew Cuomo admitted that Trump was subject to lawfare in New York. But go on, don't ask questions or think critically.

Re: Trump wins presidency for second time

#903
post #751

incumbents all around the world have performed terribly post COVID. UK, Canada, Japan, France, Italy, have all had landslide or shocking election results. Unsure what the general mood is that can lead to Keir Starmer dropping 30 points in approval months after winning in a landslide, but the mood of general discontent may be relevant in the United States as well. It seems whatever the status quo / incumbent advantage…

> Unsure what the general mood is that can lead to Keir Starmer dropping 30 points in approval months after winning in a landslide

The window to do your unpopular policies and announcements is the start of your government in the hope the reap the benefits just before the next election cycle. Not saying it’s the correct approach, but that’s the theory.

Re: Trump wins presidency for second time

#904

It's the economy, stupid: -Inflation is not prices; it is the rate of change in prices. Low inflation doesn't imply low prices. -Aggregate statistics don't necessarily explain individual outcomes. The Dems failed on this count massively, and have, for maybe the last 40 years, which is about the amount of time it took for my state to go from national bellwether (As goes Ohio, so goes the nation) to a reliably red stat…

Likewise my home state, Michigan.

None of the articles I've read mention religion or race. Perhaps these omissions are due to political correctness, but both of these factors are known to be drivers of party affiliation in the US. This makes it really hard to guess what the ultimate dominant issue actually was, if anything.

I do agree that the Dems should be taking more credit (and giving credit to liberal democracy in general) for improving the quality of life, which is ultimately the subject matter of economics.

Re: Trump wins presidency for second time

#905

The Democrats need to figure out how to recapture the favor of young men. The Joe Rogans/Logan Pauls/Elon Musks/Tiktok/Podcast bros are doing serious damage to that demographic. Almost a +30 swing to the right in the 18-29 M category from 2020.

Seems really simple to me: don't discuss literally everything BUT the concerns of poor white folks? Trump is full of shit but at least he lies TO the majority population. The Dems either ignore, talk down to or dismiss the majority of their constituents. When you make literally every talking point about marginalized groups or the Ukraine or whatever you have no chance of convincing someone to switch to your side because you underline that their concerns are not a priority or even on your radar.

If you spend a quarter of your time discussing transgender athletes or unisex bathrooms 99% of people don't have a personal stake in that. In other words, the Dems aren't doing the fundamental job of politicking, which is to engage with their constituents on the topics that matter to them directly.

Re: Trump wins presidency for second time

#906

Again the DEM party took another opportunity to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. They should have nominated Mark Kelly. The GOP ran on "this bitch hates America". You can't run on that against a 4 star rear admiral who also went into space.

I'm curious. Let's say Biden hadn't completely bombed the debate but continued to muddle along as he had been, and the DNC didn't try to force him out. Would he have won?

Re: Trump wins presidency for second time

#907

It's the economy, stupid: -Inflation is not prices; it is the rate of change in prices. Low inflation doesn't imply low prices. -Aggregate statistics don't necessarily explain individual outcomes. The Dems failed on this count massively, and have, for maybe the last 40 years, which is about the amount of time it took for my state to go from national bellwether (As goes Ohio, so goes the nation) to a reliably red stat…

Trump will say in a few weeks how great the economy is under his rule, when absolutely nothing will be different from now, and people will gobble it up.

It's the stupidity, stupid.

Re: Trump wins presidency for second time

#908

I get really tired of this narrative that people are pushing that trump voters are somehow ignorant, stupid or simply don't care. We're not ignorant, we care a lot and we're not being duped. We're really tired of the high gas prices, the moral hypocrisy of the left, the domestic law fare going on attacking political rivals and most of all, we want to afford our groceries and experience a better economy. Telling us, t…

Joe Biden can barely walk down the stairs without tripping.

Which is why he left the race back in July. Did you miss this fact?

Kamala had a "phone" call with an undecided voter just yesterday and when she showed the screen it was the camera app.

Actually this anecdote, and your touting of it, showcases just how naive Trump voters really are. The story has already been debunked on multiple fact-checking sites -- not that it needs debunking, because every single one of us knows how flaky phones are these days, and if you just brush them the wrong way you can set off all kinds of random apps. We all know this, because it happens to each and every one of us multiple times a day. (To add to this, it almost certainly wasn't her own phone, making such a mixup even more likely to happen). There's just absolutely nothing of substance here. Any reasonable person hearing this story would just roll their eyes and say, "Yeah right". They wouldn't even waste more than a second or two thinking about it, because it's so obviously bogus.

But what kind of reactions do Trump supporters have, when a story like this pops up on whatever website or newsapp they're addicted to? A variety we might guess, but judging by your own, for some reason it doesn't even occur to them to second-guess or fact-check the story. They just believe it, because a website told them it was important and they probably read other comments on that article page or social media feed with all kinds hyperemotional reactions indicating that it was a valid and important story, too, so by gosh, I guess it must be, right?

And then they go on the internet and share it with their friends, and they tell 2 friends, and so on, and so on, and that, in so many variations about other completely baseless rumors and smears, like Kamala's alleged drinking problem, her "hearing aid", about her "turning black" and so forth ad nauseum -- exactly as you've done right here, right now.

Not surprisingly, they also have no problem believing that a guy pumping his fist in the air means he's a "badass" or that this is demonstrative of the key qualities we need in someone to run the most powerful country on the planet. Instead of being yet another indication of the obvious shlockmeister and con artist that he is.

Which is what brought us to the outcome we got last night.

Re: Trump wins presidency for second time

#909

FYI, the map looks horrendous for democrats after the 2030 census. Estimates give Texas +4, Florida +3, and various other southern states +1 for a total of +12 on solid red states.

Reminder that all of those states were amazing for Democrats pre-1968. Everything changes with time. Many of those states are becoming unaffordable because there was so much displacement from blue states. It’s not easy to predict how voters will respond in 6 or 16 years…

Re: Trump wins presidency for second time

#910
US politics isn't easy to understand as an outsider. It looks like Harris was was an ok candidate for the core democrat voter and a terrible candidate to win a populist election in what is essentially a deeply divided and mostly conservative country. She didn't address the swing voters greatest concerns which was their decline in real wealth due to inflation and fear of change. I am sure money and influence had a lot to do with it as well but still a colossal misreading of public sentiment and an inability to reach out to a broader audience.
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