Apple seems to be very scared that Epic's App Store might have been working. So much so, that they are going to risk another huge fine from EU.
Apple terminates Epic Games developer account, calling it a 'threat' to iOS
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That's why I called them "general purpose computers that are marketed as special purpose computers".
Are you saying that the laws governing digital markets should vary based on a manufacturer's current marketing strategy? What if they market it one way this month and a different way next month? I wonder, would a Chromebook be considered a general purpose computer for the purposes of this argument? Should the rules change for the Xbox if Microsoft ever mentions that the Xbox is a great platform for browsing the web o…
> Are you saying that the laws governing digital markets should vary based on a manufacturer's current marketing strategy?
Definitely not. Hence why I said:
> In reality they're all equally bad.
People who own a computer should have full control over their devices, full stop. I don't care if it's Apple, Google, Nintendo, whomever. They shouldn't have any say in what a computer can and can't do after they sold it.
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I don’t quite understand why they happily subscribe to this model with Xbox PlayStation and Nintendo, but are adamant about getting their way with Google and Apple.
The arbitrary limitations on computers that are obviously general purpose is more clear than the arbitrary limitations on general purpose computers that are marketed as special purpose computers (gaming machines). In reality they're all equally bad.
iOS/iPadOS devices have never been marketed as general purpose computers though.
They have increasingly become that, and I’m not arguing that the limitations are good, but the limitations of the app store have always been core to the marketing of these devices.
The Mac product lines are the only “general purpose” devices.
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Fish don't know they're in water until they're out of it. See Android.
I switched a few years ago. The realistic non-hyperbole take is that iOS and Android are really, really similar. Only real difference is Firefox, is that turns out nicely on iOS I might try the other side again.
> Only real difference is Firefox, is that turns out nicely on iOS I might try the other side again.
Note: this only applies if you're in the EU. Everyone else still gets Apple's webkit.
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To offer a modest counterweight here, every iPhone owner bought the product knowing damn well that Apple keeps the OS locked down. If you don’t want that, don’t buy an iPhone. There’s no confusion about what the product is and what you can do with it.
> every iPhone owner bought the product knowing damn well that Apple keeps the OS locked down No, average owner has no idea. But they will be relentlessly asking why your application is not supporting iOS
Average owner with no idea is the exact person who benefits most from a locked down OS.
The rest of us are free to choose something else.
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> Yeah, its really weird to appeal to the noble intentions of a corporation. They're both just engaged in business. This is what's wrong with the current overly capitalist system. Companies are totally allowed to have no conscience, and externalise whatever they please to consumers and the environment. And you could even argue they are 'forced' to do so by due diligence legislation. If we let this continue there will…
It's entirely a matter of incentives. Companies are like machines whose sole purpose is to make a profit. Pretty much everything they do apart from that (make products, employ people, pollute, etc) is, strictly speaking, a side effect. If they could make just as much money (or more) without doing any of those other things, they absolutely would, and any company that wouldn't do the same would eventually be put out of…
Besides generating profits for shareholders, let's amend the law to require that business activities also avoid causing harm and benefit society. This means every decision would need to balance the interests of shareholders with those of society at large. Such a requirement could lead to reduced profits for shareholders. Moreover, this change would need to be implemented worldwide, otherwise, capital might simply shift to regions with less stringent regulations.
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Hopefully changing laws will cure companies from this delusional take. Most reasonable people don't think this way.
To offer a modest counterweight here, every iPhone owner bought the product knowing damn well that Apple keeps the OS locked down. If you don’t want that, don’t buy an iPhone. There’s no confusion about what the product is and what you can do with it.
If you buy technology that treats you like a product and has a rape mentality because it's popular and easy, you don't deserve technology.
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#908First, it’s weird that anyone would take the side of Epic in any argument. Second, it’s obvious that no one had actually read the article. Epic admitted that they have deliberately broken the App Store rules. That’s enough to have anyone sanctioned in any system. Apple are certainly not unimpeachable here, but this blind hatred of Apple is out of control. At least get the facts close to right before spewing your unin…
Epic broke the rules 3 years ago, they were reinstated recently cause of the european union decision. They haven't done anything to break the rules except write a tweet complaining about apple. I don't see how apple has any footing in this argument
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#910Earlier quoted context omitted.
To offer a modest counterweight here, every iPhone owner bought the product knowing damn well that Apple keeps the OS locked down. If you don’t want that, don’t buy an iPhone. There’s no confusion about what the product is and what you can do with it.
If you buy technology that treats you like a product and has a rape mentality because it's popular and easy, you don't deserve technology.
Enjoy your android phone then I guess? Because Google definitely doesn’t treat its users like a product. Oh wait, that’s their entire business model.