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Re: Journalist casualties in the Israel-Gaza war

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Post by tptacek »

exodust wrote: post #899
tptacek wrote: post #886

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The rape allegations have not been debunked. The UN Special Representative on Sexual Violence in Conflict just yesterday announced convincing evidence not just of organized sexual violence on October 7th, but of sexual violence against the hostages themselves, including evidence that such abuse is ongoing. It's been a Twitter talking point for the last 2 weeks that the rape accusations are hoaxes; some of that is the…

> "The comment you were replying to was dismissive and uncivil" Fascinating. The person you replied to unleashed a barrage of toxic misinformation, including absurd claims about nobody being tortured on Oct7, and that Israel killed the music festival attendees, among other propaganda nuggets. They also frame Oct7 as a strategic positive, based on the "killing" of normalized relations between Israel and Arab countries…

The more right you are, the more important it is not to discredit your arguments with incivility.

Re: Journalist casualties in the Israel-Gaza war

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Post by tety »

wolverine876 wrote: post #890
tety wrote: post #879

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These are photos published by the IDF, not random users on X even if you don’t trust the IDF, you could easily verify if those are the photos of the same journalist by looking at them.

That doesn't tell us whether the photos are actually from the IDF, whether they were modified, where and when they were taken, what the context for the photos is, whether the narrative added to the photos (the one you are asserting and apparently someone else originally put forward) is accurate. It's just two collections of bits that someone posted online. People are easily misled by those things, including you and m…

These are official IDF accounts, the photos are said by the IDF to be found on the journalist laptop and have backing articles published by journalist who received the same information from the IDF.

Psychological warfare campaigns are usually done under false flag, so I doubt this is the case

Look at the images and judge for yourself

Re: Journalist casualties in the Israel-Gaza war

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Post by shiroiushi »

hef19898 wrote: post #900
shiroiushi wrote: post #893

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>That was WW1 No, that was "the great war" that started with what's called "WWI" by many and ended with what's called "WWII". Basically, one big war with a really long intermission.

Ah, you are one of the people seeing WW1 and 2 as the new 30 years war. Ok. Still wrong saying tze assination started WW2, and oversimolyfied saying it started WW1. Worth pointing out that your view is still not mainstream.

The two wars are directly linked: the treatment of Germany by the Allies after WWI directly caused the rise of the NSDAP and Hitler.

WWI is well-known to have been kicked off with the assassination, though the whole thing was a powderkeg before that.

Re: Journalist casualties in the Israel-Gaza war

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Post by Jiro »

uluyol wrote: post #503
Jiro wrote: post #412

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Ah yes, guilty until proven innocent. Yes, the assumption upon which all civilized societies are founded. /s

Calling them innocent means calling Israel guilty, so "guilty until proven innocent" is on both sides and cannot be avoided.

Re: Journalist casualties in the Israel-Gaza war

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Post by rendall »

tptacek wrote: post #885
LAC-Tech wrote: post #882

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Then it's a wildy disproportionate military operation. Israeli lives are not worth 40x Palestinian ones.

It would be no more ethical to reap precisely the same number of innocent lives as Hamas took; in fact, it would arguably be less ethical, since you'd be laying bare your motivation of vengeance and reprisal. The judgement of whether a military operation is defensible is its objective and necessity, not the ratio of casualties inflicted on both sides. I think much of what's been done in Gaza is indefensible (the culp…

What is indefensible by Israel in Gaza?

Re: Journalist casualties in the Israel-Gaza war

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Post by rendall »

knewspeak wrote: post #461
rendall wrote: post #454

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Though it's certainly sensible to question the accuracy of the numbers, considering Israel is making it impossible for anyone besides Hamas to verify those numbers and considering that the Netanyahu gov has actively given aid, comfort, and power to Hamas to crush any rival in Gaza [0][1], this then is also true: Israel currently has no standing to dispute those numbers. >Any article or media organization that does no…

Tell me more about this. _Israel is making it impossible for anyone besides Hamas to verify those numbers..._

Is Israel preventing journalists from entering Gaza? If so, how does this reconcile with the OP article?

Re: Journalist casualties in the Israel-Gaza war

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Post by rendall »

dang wrote: post #866
rendall wrote: post #675

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> This is revisionist history - Gaza was never even part of Egypt So confident and yet so wrong. This is literally history. Are you pro-Hamas because you don't know the history of the region, or do you not know the history region because you're motivated to ignore it where it contradicts your pro-Hamas narrative? From whom did Israel seize control of Gaza in 1967?

I appreciate your more substantive contributions to the thread, but you've also broken the site guidelines a lot, such as with snark and personal attacks. Can you please edit that sort of thing out of your HN posts in the future? I know it's not easy in the heat of the moment, but it's critical to the survival of this site, and it will also make your own posts a lot more persuasive. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsg…

When you say "a lot" in this thread I honestly don't know what you mean. "So confident and yet so wrong" was admittedly prickly, but my follow up question was earnest, not a personal attack. Direct, but not snarky.

I cannot find other examples of snark or personal attacks in this thread.

Re: Journalist casualties in the Israel-Gaza war

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Post by rendall »

LAC-Tech wrote: post #882
rendall wrote: post #613

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You would be correct were the war about retaliation. It is not retaliation. It is a military operation. It is a military operation to remove an implacable enemy who deliberately positions military hardware such as rocket launchers in and around civilians and civilian infrastructure. This is an enemy who would kill more than 30,000 Israeli citizens if it could. Hamas would kill every single Israeli if it acquired the…

Then it's a wildy disproportionate military operation. Israeli lives are not worth 40x Palestinian ones.

Why does this, relatively speaking, extremely low rate of civilian casualties concern you so? Honest question.

Have you been similarly concerned by the extremely high rates of ongoing civilian casualties in Syria, Sudan, and Yemen? Those of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan?

Re: Journalist casualties in the Israel-Gaza war

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Post by diordiderot »

hef19898 wrote: post #823
golergka wrote: post #798

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Not sure what want to say, but here some dates, courtesy of wiki: - Hamas won 42.5% in the elections in 2006, no elections took place since - Hamas support was not strong, based in the few pols done, it increased after Israels attack And the last bit what is so not surprising. Edit: If you are interested in how we ended up with this cluster fuck, wikipedia is good place. Start way back so, in 50s, to get the necessar…

> Start way back so, in 50s, to get the necessary context

Can't forget 1937 (what happened before Nakba)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1947%E2%80%931948_civil_war_...

Or 1929

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1929_Hebron_massacre#:~:text....

Or 900 CE

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rashidun_Caliphate#:~:text=T....

Or 1000 BCE

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Israel_(united_mo...

Re: Journalist casualties in the Israel-Gaza war

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Post by SomeoneFromCA »

kaba0 wrote: post #416
tacomonstrous wrote: post #237

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>But Hamas doesn't care for civilians. Neither does the IDF by all available evidence.

IDF cares for their civilians more, and to protect them they unfortunately have to accept Palestinian civilian casualties, there are no other way.

yes, right. Lately they preemptively killed civilians when they were in a line for flour, because they were caring for civilians, and therefore prevented them from overeating.
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