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Re: Sora: Creating video from text

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Post by jonplackett »

LoveMortuus wrote: post #875
mihaic wrote: post #873

This is both amazing and saddening to me. All our cultural legacy is being fed into a monstrous machine that gives no attribution to the original content with which it was fed, and so the creative industry seems to be in great danger. Creativity being automated while humans are forced to perform menial tasks for minimum wage doesn't seem like a great future and the geriatric political class has absolutely no clue how…

We are all standing on the shoulders of giants, whose existence and names we will never know or acknowledge. The way these models are creative is the same way humans are. The artist that painted Mona Lisa didn't credit any of the influences and inspirations that they had. Just as cameras made many artists redundant, so too will every other new tool, and not just artist but pretty much every job. But there are still p…

da Vinci is a silly comparison. He is just one man. Even he didn’t have such great ability that he can put all other artists out of business.

This is more like the invention of weaving machines. Yes we still have weavers but no where near as many.

Re: Sora: Creating video from text

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Post by mattbrewsbytes »

patall wrote: post #406
crazygringo wrote: post #190

This is insane. But I'm impressed most of all by the quality of motion . I've quite simply never seen convincing computer-generated motion before . Just look at the way the wooly mammoths connect with the ground, and their lumbering mass feels real. Motion-capture works fine because that's real motion, but every time people try to animate humans and animals, even in big-budget CGI movies, it's always ultimately obvio…

I disagree, just look at the legs of the woman in the first video. First she seems to be limping, than the legs rotate. The mammoth are totally uncanny for me as its both running and walking at the same time. Don't get me wrong, it is impressive. But I think many people will be very uncomfortable with such motion very quickly. Same story as the fingers before.

Yep. If you look at the detail you can find obvious things wrong and these are limited to 60s in length with zero audio so I doubt full motion picture movies are going to be replaced anytime soon. B-roll background video or AI generated backgrounds for a green screen sure.

I would expect any subscription to use this service when it comes out to be very expensive. At some point I have to imagine the GPU/CPU horsepower needed will outweigh the monetary costs that could be recovered. Storage costs too. Its much easier to tinker with generating text or static images in that regard.

Of note: NVDA's quarterly results come out next week.

Re: Sora: Creating video from text

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Post by slowturtle »

I can’t wait for the day I can strap on my Apple® Vision Pro® 9 with OpenAI® integration and spend all my time interfacing (wink) with my virtual girlfriend. Sure my unlit 3 by 3 meter LifePod® is a little cramped and my arm itches from the Soylent® IV drip, but I’ll save so much time by not having to go outside and interact with legacy humans!

Re: Sora: Creating video from text

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Post by brookst »

mihaic wrote: post #873

This is both amazing and saddening to me. All our cultural legacy is being fed into a monstrous machine that gives no attribution to the original content with which it was fed, and so the creative industry seems to be in great danger. Creativity being automated while humans are forced to perform menial tasks for minimum wage doesn't seem like a great future and the geriatric political class has absolutely no clue how…

Think of your favorite musicians. How many of them give attribution to where each musical idea came from?

The concept of art as exclusive property is very new. Throughout history, artists have built on one another’s works with no attribution or provenance. It’s really just the past 100 years — Disney, specifically - that have created the cultural mindset that the first person to express something owns it forever and everyone else has to pay them for the privilege of building that next work.

BTW I’m old enough to remember people decrying the rise of desktop publishing (“WYSIWYG”) as the automation of creativity.

I share your disdain for the geriatric political class, but I strongly disagree that this is a situation that needs to be managed. I say we let the arts return to the free for all they were for the fist 80,000 years or whatever.

Re: Sora: Creating video from text

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Post by 0xRusty »

slowturtle wrote: post #903

I can’t wait for the day I can strap on my Apple® Vision Pro® 9 with OpenAI® integration and spend all my time interfacing ( wink ) with my virtual girlfriend. Sure my unlit 3 by 3 meter LifePod® is a little cramped and my arm itches from the Soylent® IV drip, but I’ll save so much time by not having to go outside and interact with legacy humans!

Strap it on? Haven't you heard? The vison pro 9 will be a chip grown on your retina.

Re: Sora: Creating video from text

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Post by ab_entropy »

pantulis wrote: post #849

This is the harbinger that announces that, as a technologist, the time has come for me to witness more and more things that I cannot understand how they work any more. The cycle has closed and I have now become my father.

This is likely a wild guess on my part but i've faced a similar feeling lately. If this comes from the realm of Webdev, React, SSR and all the F'ing acronyms that we need to learn today and you want to feel like you've "caught on": My advice would be to avoid NextJS at all costs. It's too bleeding edge.

Opt for a sane option instead to get started, likely one of these: (Astro, SvelteKit or Remix).

Re: Sora: Creating video from text

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Post by netcan »

patall wrote: post #406
crazygringo wrote: post #190

This is insane. But I'm impressed most of all by the quality of motion . I've quite simply never seen convincing computer-generated motion before . Just look at the way the wooly mammoths connect with the ground, and their lumbering mass feels real. Motion-capture works fine because that's real motion, but every time people try to animate humans and animals, even in big-budget CGI movies, it's always ultimately obvio…

I disagree, just look at the legs of the woman in the first video. First she seems to be limping, than the legs rotate. The mammoth are totally uncanny for me as its both running and walking at the same time. Don't get me wrong, it is impressive. But I think many people will be very uncomfortable with such motion very quickly. Same story as the fingers before.

> I think many people will be very uncomfortable with such motion very quickly

So... I think OP's point stands. (impressive, surpasses human/algorithmic animation thus far).

You're also right. There are "tells." But, a tell isn't a tell until we've seen it a few times.

Jaron Lanier makes a point about novel technology. The first gramophone users thought it sounded identical to live orchestra. When very early films depicting a train coming towards a camera, and people fell out of their chairs... Blurry black and white, super slow frame rate projected on a bedsheet.

Early 3d animation was mindblowing in the 90s. Now it seems like a marionette show. Well... I suppose there was a time when marionette shows were not campy. They probably looked magic.

It seems we need some experience before we internalize the tells and it starts to look fake. My own eye for CG images seems to improving faster then the quality. We're all learning to recognize GPT generated text. I'm sure these motion captures will look more fake to us soon.

That said... the fact that we're having this discussion proves that what we have here is "novel." We're looking at a breakthrough in motion/animation.

Also, I'm not sure "real" is necessary. For games or film what we need is rich and believable, not real.

Re: Sora: Creating video from text

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Post by scotty79 »

mihaic wrote: post #873

This is both amazing and saddening to me. All our cultural legacy is being fed into a monstrous machine that gives no attribution to the original content with which it was fed, and so the creative industry seems to be in great danger. Creativity being automated while humans are forced to perform menial tasks for minimum wage doesn't seem like a great future and the geriatric political class has absolutely no clue how…

I think turning human creativity into industry was huge mistake.

I welcome its fall.

Re: Sora: Creating video from text

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Post by camillomiller »

LoveMortuus wrote: post #875
mihaic wrote: post #873

This is both amazing and saddening to me. All our cultural legacy is being fed into a monstrous machine that gives no attribution to the original content with which it was fed, and so the creative industry seems to be in great danger. Creativity being automated while humans are forced to perform menial tasks for minimum wage doesn't seem like a great future and the geriatric political class has absolutely no clue how…

We are all standing on the shoulders of giants, whose existence and names we will never know or acknowledge. The way these models are creative is the same way humans are. The artist that painted Mona Lisa didn't credit any of the influences and inspirations that they had. Just as cameras made many artists redundant, so too will every other new tool, and not just artist but pretty much every job. But there are still p…

It is absolutely not the same, and saying so disregards centuries of knowledge stratification. These machine produce superficial artifacts that lack any layering of meaning of semantic capital (see Luciano Floridi). They are the byproduct of the engineering extremism and lack of humanities knowledge of the people getting rich through their creation.

Re: Sora: Creating video from text

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Post by ddano »

pantulis wrote: post #849

This is the harbinger that announces that, as a technologist, the time has come for me to witness more and more things that I cannot understand how they work any more. The cycle has closed and I have now become my father.

It is all just a mindset and how much you want to be involved.

Here is an inspirational story for you: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39288139

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