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Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

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post #644

I'm surprised they got rid of the Bard name. It struck me as a really smart choice since a Bard is someone who said things, and it's an old/archaic enough word to not already be in a zillion other names. Gemini, on the other hand, doesn't strike me as particularly relevant (except that perhaps it's a twin of ChatGPT?), and there are other companies with the same name. EDIT: I can see the advantage of picking a name t…

I'm sure "Bard" was primarily a Shakespeare reference (The Bard of Avon, frequently just The Bard), and I liked it too. An appropriate name for a technology that's all about language. Gemini sounds cool and sci-fi though, and maybe it's a bit easier to localize since it's just straight Latin.

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Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

#902

I'm surprised they got rid of the Bard name. It struck me as a really smart choice since a Bard is someone who said things, and it's an old/archaic enough word to not already be in a zillion other names. Gemini, on the other hand, doesn't strike me as particularly relevant (except that perhaps it's a twin of ChatGPT?), and there are other companies with the same name. EDIT: I can see the advantage of picking a name t…

Astrologically, Gemini is associated with Communication. Specifically social, superficial, quick, back and forth communication. The sign is ruled by Mercury which is associated with Intelligence and being the messenger of the Gods. Mercury is often depicted with winged shoes as the planet itself is the fastest moving planet, orbiting the sun every 88 days. Mercury is considered to be dualistic (The Twins) and also rules the sign of Virgo, an earth sign that is associated with more deep cold analytical categorization.

Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

#903
I am glad they renamed bard to gemini.

Google is a global company a hell of its their users are not native english speakers and for a lot of english speakers like those from say India, they do not know what Bard is. Bard sounds like a LGBTQ hippie with pink hair. Perfectly good name for a beta and experimental product. Not for something mature and major.

Gemini is pretty good though I do not know whether Gem-in-eye or Je-mee-nee is the correct pronunciation. Gemini is a start, constellation and extremely popular word and most people are likely to know it because horoscope.

Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

#904

I’ve been pretty excited to finally try Gemini advanced. So far pretty disappointed. Here’s my go-to test question - which even chat gpt 3.5 can get. Question: I walk up to a glass door. It has the word push on it in mirror writing. Should I push or pull the door, and why Gemini advanced: You should push the door. Here's why: * Mirror Writing: The word "PUSH" is written in mirror writing, meaning it would appear corr…

Interesting test.

I tried it with Mixtral and it got it:

"If the word 'push' is written in mirror writing, it's likely intended to be read correctly from the other side of the door. Therefore, you should pull the door to open it from your side. This is because mirrored writing appears normal when viewed from the opposite side of a reflective surface like a glass door."

I have been really impressed with Mistral lately.

Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

#905
This is wild to admit but we are directly betting that Google will fail to effectively incorporate Gemini across GSuite for Work.

I think it is (very) fair to say this is a risky bet. I would love to hear from the HN community why we are wrong to take it.

Here’s the case we see:

1. Google has a long history of seeking to evolve the GSuite and failing. There are notable exceptions, but the failures are far more notable (Wave, G+).

2. Extending Gsuite is a scripts game. As amazing as the idea of an AI powered Gsuite is, practical B2B implementation requires a heavy amount of custom process design and integration. While Google can modify their own products far beyond what GApp scripts do, the ecosystem around Gsuite is still fundamentally very hacky. There’s an entire universe of products that could just be Google add-ons but aren’t. Google has missed the trend of no code/low code when you compare to tools like Notion, Coda, AirTable, Zapier, etc.

3. GSuite products are fundamentally legacy UIs. This is the riskiest part of our bet. The thesis is that AI-first approaches to solving for user needs will be significantly better solved by re-imagining common products than adding chat-driven functionality on top of them. If true, Google could actually lose market share after incorporating Gemini.

Microsoft, in relative terms, is executing on all of the above and has been for a while.

There’s a host of other reasons (mentioned on this thread already) Google may fail in this attempt, but the execution challenge here is intense. Google is both taking longer to get to market and delivering a lackluster comparison overall to OpenAI/Microsoft, despite all the metric gamesmanship.

MS has so much more of the market and has to win, whereas Google’s revenue and stock price is far less impacted by GSuite.

It would be an extraordinary thing for Google to actually win this race.

Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

#906
post #82

In the 20 minutes of experimentation, I'm really impressed with the quality of Bard Advanced (Gemini Ultra). The results are as good as GPT-4, and in some cases is better. So far: pros: - better at translation (tried Chinese and Japanese idioms to English) - better at incorporating search results in its answer vs gpt-4 bing cons: - slightly worse at coding - censorship is more annoying (have to ask multiple times abo…

One thing it doesn’t do which matters to me is properly rendered math like ChatGPt does. I asked it for mathematical formulations and so far the answers are not as good as ChatGPT 4.

Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

#907
post #82

In the 20 minutes of experimentation, I'm really impressed with the quality of Bard Advanced (Gemini Ultra). The results are as good as GPT-4, and in some cases is better. So far: pros: - better at translation (tried Chinese and Japanese idioms to English) - better at incorporating search results in its answer vs gpt-4 bing cons: - slightly worse at coding - censorship is more annoying (have to ask multiple times abo…

Given that Gemini Pro is already the third best [0], I would expect Gemini Ultra to become the best soon.

[0] https://huggingface.co/spaces/lmsys/chatbot-arena-leaderboar...

Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

#908

This is wild to admit but we are directly betting that Google will fail to effectively incorporate Gemini across GSuite for Work. I think it is (very) fair to say this is a risky bet. I would love to hear from the HN community why we are wrong to take it. Here’s the case we see: 1. Google has a long history of seeking to evolve the GSuite and failing. There are notable exceptions, but the failures are far more notabl…

Things like the below are precisely why I would not only bet on Google failing but silently hope that they do.

    Sorry, Gemini Advanced isn't available for you

    Gemini Advanced is not yet available in some countries, for work accounts, or for users under a certain age.

Rant:

No explanation, no suggested alternative; just an ominous "Learn More" button that sends you barreling down the spiraling rabbit hole of support.google.com. Diving deeper, I uncovered that 's accessibility is limited to personal accounts under Google One with the sole Workspace option being for Google Workspace Individual(??).

On my personal account I can sign up for Gemini Advanced by upgrading my Google One account to Google One AI Premium.

As a standard Google Workspace account holder, I was directed towards Gemini for Workspace but naturally that is still branded as Duet AI for Workspace.. And naturally I have to request a trial and be contacted by a Google team member even though it has been announced as being generally available..

It's a microcosm of the broader frustrations with Google's approach to product development and user engagement that we've come to expect - hyped product launches with restricted availability, arbitrary limitations, and a consistently-confused product ecosystem.

Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

#909
post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn't seem like it's using Gemini Ultra yet. For me it seems like only the interface has been updated since the image generation capabilities are not working.

Image generation is working for me

Not for me. The first time I asked it paused for about ten seconds so I thought it was making an image. Then responded with:

> I can't generate images of that. Try asking me to generate images of something else.

I thought it was saying there was an issue with my prompt. So I asked:

> Why can't you?

I got this response:

I can't generate images for several reasons:

    Technical limitations: Image generation is a complex task. Even the most advanced image generation AI models require powerful computer hardware and specialized software. I'm simply not equipped to do this as a language model.

    Focus on language: My primary function is to understand and generate text.  I'm trained on massive amounts of text data, which helps me  write poems, answer your questions thoughtfully, and have conversations. Image generation is a whole different specialization.

    Potential for misuse: Image generation technology has the potential to be misused, such as creating deepfakes or  images that might be harmful or offensive. It's important to use these tools responsibly and ethically.
Here's what I can do:

    Describe the scene in detail: I can enhance the poem with vivid descriptions of the setting, the baker's emotions and appearance, and the fairy's ethereal form. This can help you imagine the image more clearly.
    Find inspiration: I can search for illustrations or art in a similar style to guide a human artist, should you want to commission an illustration for your poem.
    Recommend image generation tools: I can point you towards simple online image generation tools if you'd like to experiment with creating visuals yourself. Just be aware of their limitations.
Let me know if you'd like me to further develop any of these options!

Re: Bard is now Gemini, and we’re rolling out a mobile app and Gemini Advanced

#910
post #756

I’ve been pretty excited to finally try Gemini advanced. So far pretty disappointed. Here’s my go-to test question - which even chat gpt 3.5 can get. Question: I walk up to a glass door. It has the word push on it in mirror writing. Should I push or pull the door, and why Gemini advanced: You should push the door. Here's why: * Mirror Writing: The word "PUSH" is written in mirror writing, meaning it would appear corr…

User: Which is heavier, two pounds of feathers or a pound of bricks? Gemini: Neither! They both weigh the same, which is two pounds. The key is in the wording of the question. You're comparing equal amounts of two different materials (two pounds of feathers vs. one pound of bricks). As long as the quantity is the same, the weight (force exerted by gravity) will always be the same regardless of the material. This is a…

Both got4 and Gemini answered this variation correctly: one pound of potatoes vs. one pound in paper British currency: which of these is heavier?

However gpt4 does better with the more ambiguous version pointing out the ambiguity: one pound of potatoes vs. one pound in paper currency: which of these is heavier?

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