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Re: Beeper Mini is back

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Post by rootusrootus »

mmastrac wrote: post #552
seanp2k2 wrote: post #534

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All Apple needs to do is send a few scary C&D letters from their army of lawyers and this will be done. If they run the infrastructure for imessage, I'm sure there's something in a ToS somewhere that talks about spoofing device IDs and unauthorized use of their services blah blah Apple's sole discretion. In theory I love it but in reality it'll be dead soon as Apple has too much to gain from the walled garden they've…

A $3T monopolist sending scary C&D letters tends to get the attention of the government.

Eh, just being really big isn't going to be enough by itself. Apple has just a bit over half the market, they're definitely not a monopoly. The gov't won't get involved.

Re: Beeper Mini is back

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Post by extraduder_ire »

cozzyd wrote: post #817
hornban wrote: post #694

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> how do they solve it? Release iMessage on Android. If there is a concern that it wouldn't be secure with Google controlling it, then they could put it out on F-Droid, which would simultaneously prove that they're serious and also undermine Google's own efforts at controlling the culture war.

Does f-droid allow non-open source apps?

You can add a repository containing whatever apps you want.

Re: Beeper Mini is back

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Post by perryizgr8 »

hornban wrote: post #640
js2 wrote: post #471

> Messages will be sent and received via your email address rather than phone number. [...] Even worse, when iPhone customers added an Android phone number to an existing iMessage secure encrypted group chat, the Messages app would by default switch the entire group chat to using unencrypted, unsecure SMS. These two Messages features combine to create a terrible UX. When someone starts a group chat in Messages and in…

From everything I've read on the matter, I believe that the UX nightmare when you include a non-apple user is an intentional design choice, rather than an engineering problem that hasn't been solved. They want the experience to suffer when somebody outside of the ecosystem is involved so as to create social pressure for the outsider to change. The ironic part of all of this is that while the EU may be forcing Apple i…

> It's really a shame that Microsoft gave up on mobile,

Nokia's Lumia phones were so good at one time. The hardware was top notch (including cameras). The software was smoother than android and more intuitive than iphone. It was just a solid platform.

I would buy one in a blink if it was available today in the high end segment. I'd not even be bothered about google's anti competitive behavior wrt youtube and other apps.

Massive shame we lost Nokia and windows phone both due to the de facto duopoly that has taken hold in the market.

Re: Beeper Mini is back

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Post by graphe »

hayleox wrote: post #893
graphe wrote: post #497

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iMessage is reliable, ‘free’ and encrypted. Beeper mini is unreliable, paid, and encrypted. I wouldn’t recommend it anymore to my Android friends.

Read the post; they've made it free now. They said they'll consider charging again if/when things stabilize.

They said they made ‘beeper’ free, not ‘beeper mini’ free. Unless they combined them since the last post. But maybe they should say beeper mini is free.

Re: Beeper Mini is back

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Post by rootusrootus »

unshavedyak wrote: post #540
graphe wrote: post #497

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iMessage is reliable, ‘free’ and encrypted. Beeper mini is unreliable, paid, and encrypted. I wouldn’t recommend it anymore to my Android friends.

Is it free? I have it bundled as part of my hardware purchases. Is there somewhere to get it without paying?

Is Linux free? I have a computer that won't run it.

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Post by resters »

wrboyce wrote: post #527
endisneigh wrote: post #246

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How can this be taken seriously when basic facts are wrong. Go on Amazon and check for Google products. Apple has no way of telling you what an advertisement or promotion is, and it’s inherently subjective.

> Push Notifications should not be used for promotions or direct marketing purposes unless customers have explicitly opted in to receive them via consent language displayed in your app’s UI, and you provide a method in your app for a user to opt out from receiving such messages. From (section 4.5.4 of) the App Store Review Guidelines. GP is incorrect on many points.

Is there a way to report apps that violate this?

Re: Beeper Mini is back

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Post by nelsondev »

One thing I’m not seeing discussed in the battle of client apps, is that Apple is still paying to run the backend servers. Considering the ubiquity of iMessage, this ain’t cheap.

When Beeper charges customers subscriptions for the client app, do they kick back any money to Apple who provides server side support for iMessage?

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Post by Mtinie »

Der_Einzige wrote: post #874
js2 wrote: post #471

> Messages will be sent and received via your email address rather than phone number. [...] Even worse, when iPhone customers added an Android phone number to an existing iMessage secure encrypted group chat, the Messages app would by default switch the entire group chat to using unencrypted, unsecure SMS. These two Messages features combine to create a terrible UX. When someone starts a group chat in Messages and in…

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> This phenomenon is directly responsible for the rise of Incels in America.

I’d argue that it’s due to social media, not the iPhone. I can believe that a reasonable number of guys being “bubble shamed” into inceldom, but as a driver for a quantifiable and significant number? No way.

MySpace, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, TikTok, etc? For sure.

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Post by zappb »

microtonal wrote: post #322
Longhanks wrote: post #231

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Please explain to me why that wouldn't be in anyone's interest? Why should I pay costs for server uptime and maintenance for clients that I a) did not authorize and b) did not pay for me keeping up my servers and c) actually accept that a third party is getting money for providing said access to my servers? I really don't get how Apple is to blame for protecting what they pay for.

Apple also uses a lot of infrastructure that they don't pay for on their devices. Everything from open source code used in Darwin to public internet infrastructure. Besides that, if that is the reason that they don't want to offer this, they could offer a paid subscription for Android users. The reason they block this is not that they cannot afford the infrastructure, it's peanuts for them. It's because they want to…

Who do you think maintains all that OSS in Darwin?

Re: Beeper Mini is back

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Post by [deleted] »

microtonal wrote: post #452
lotsofpulp wrote: post #413

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> The most likely reason is that Apple has become utterly boring when it comes to innovation. I recently purchased an iPhone 15, coming from the iPhone 13, I can honestly not say what has changed or improved Is there some law of nature that allows humans to achieve a rate of technological advancement that is beyond what “bores” you?

Is there some law of nature that allows humans to achieve a rate of technological advancement that is beyond what “bores” you? I honestly have no idea what you are trying to say? Are you saying that I am not entitled to progress? If so, I am not saying that I am. I am just saying that (IMO) some other companies are now more innovative and that should worry Apple more. Short term they can try retain users by locking t…

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