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Re: Gemini AI

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Post by raincole »

Jensson wrote: post #774
ghj wrote: post #569

Some people on codeforces (the competitive programming platform that this was tested on) are discussing the model: https://codeforces.com/blog/entry/123035 Seems like they don't believe that it solved the 3200 rated problem ( https://codeforces.com/contest/1810/problem/G ) w/o data leakage For context, there are only around 20 humans above 3200 rating in the world. During the contest, there were only 21 successful su…

It doesn't code like human so you would expect it to be better at some kinds of tasks. It brute forces the problems by generating a million solutions and then tries to trim that down, a few problems might be vulnerable to that style of approach.

Are you sure? "brute forces the problems by generating a million solutions and then tries to trim that down" isn't how I would describe the way a LLM works.

Re: Gemini AI

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Post by chikitabanana »

KolmogorovComp wrote: post #714
paradite wrote: post #344

To me it doesn't look impressive at all. In this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvGmVmHv69s , Google talked about solving a competitive programming problem using dynamic programming. But DP is considered only an intermediate level technique in National Olympiad in Informatics/USACO level competitions, which are targeted at secondary school students. For more advanced contests the tough questions usually requi…

DP?

dynamic progaming

Re: Gemini AI

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Post by gnarlouse »

If this isn’t proof that AI is coming for your job I don’t know what is. Welcome to the human zoo, I suspect if you’re reading this you’re the exhibit.

Re: Gemini AI

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Post by pjmlp »

runako wrote: post #880
AlchemistCamp wrote: post #867

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Bard w/ Gemini Pro isn't available in Europe and isn't multi-modal, https://support.google.com/bard/answer/14294096 It's available in 174 countries. Europe has gone to great lengths to make itself an incredibly hostile environment for online businesses to operate in. That's a fair choice, but don't blame Google for spending some extra time on compliance before launching there.

> It's available in 174 countries. Basically the entire world, except countries that specifically targeted American Big Tech companies for increased regulation. > Europe has gone to great lengths to make itself an incredibly hostile environment for online businesses to operate in. This is such an understated point. I wonder if EU citizens feel well-served by e.g. the pop-up banners that afflict the global web as a re…

Yes, I feel well served and we should regulate even more.

And even though I tend to complain about UNIX like OSes, maybe they are the key to free Europe from US corporations operating systems, like a few other countries are already doing as well.

We should stick to international regulated programing languages and OSes, that free us from dependencies on export technology regulations.

Re: Gemini AI

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Post by [deleted] »

golol wrote: post #478
norir wrote: post #256

This announcement makes we wonder if we are approaching a plateau in these systems. They are essentially claiming close to parity with gpt-4, not a spectacular new breakthrough. If I had something significantly better in the works, I'd either release it or hold my fire until it was ready. I wouldn't let openai drive my decision making, which is what this looks like from my perspective. Their top line claim is they ar…

In my opinion the field is not that rapidly advancing. The major breakthroughs, where something was really much better than everything before were the following: GPT-2 February 2019 GPT-3 June 2020 CPT-3.5 December 2022 GPT-4 February 2023 Note that GPT-3 to GPT4 took almost 3 years!

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Re: Gemini AI

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Post by gmerc »

runako wrote: post #880
AlchemistCamp wrote: post #867

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Bard w/ Gemini Pro isn't available in Europe and isn't multi-modal, https://support.google.com/bard/answer/14294096 It's available in 174 countries. Europe has gone to great lengths to make itself an incredibly hostile environment for online businesses to operate in. That's a fair choice, but don't blame Google for spending some extra time on compliance before launching there.

> It's available in 174 countries. Basically the entire world, except countries that specifically targeted American Big Tech companies for increased regulation. > Europe has gone to great lengths to make itself an incredibly hostile environment for online businesses to operate in. This is such an understated point. I wonder if EU citizens feel well-served by e.g. the pop-up banners that afflict the global web as a re…

The EU is preventing a wholesale sellout of the continent. It’s great.

Re: Gemini AI

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Post by zamalek »

stefandesu wrote: post #890
zamalek wrote: post #760

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The biggest advantage of Bard is the speed, it's practically instant. I asked: How would I go about creating a sandbox directory for a subordinate user (namespaced user with subuid - e.g. uid 100000), that can be deleted as the superior user (e.g. uid 1000)? I want this to be done without root permissions. Both said that it's impossible, which is the the generally accepted answer. I then added: I don't care about dat…

> How would I go about creating a sandbox directory for a subordinate user (namespaced user with subuid - e.g. uid 100000), that can be deleted as the superior user (e.g. uid 1000)? I want this to be done without root permissions. Off topic, but it feels so weird that this is not possible. I've run into this with rootless Docker recently.

It is possible, but I suspect my solution may be novel (I got nothing so I continued banging my head against the wall until I figured it out): https://github.com/nickelpack/nck/blob/main/crates/nck-sandb.... The trick is to put everything in a tmpfs, then lazy umount when done. Overlayfs might also be able to pull it off with uid= (I'm not sure if it actually supports it).

Container runtimes, apparently, usually have a setuid helper that deals with this stuff. You could also have PID 1 in the namespace clean things up.

That being said, you'll likely run into more problems with root and apparmor etc. Setuid is probably unavoidable for secure sandboxes.

Re: Gemini AI

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Post by mnky9800n »

teleforce wrote: post #845
foobar_______ wrote: post #503

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Agreed. The whole things reeks of being desperate. Half the video is jerking themselves off that they've done AI longer than anyone and they "release" (not actually available in most countries) a model that is only marginally better than the current GPT4 in cherry-picked metrics after nearly a year of lead-time?!?! That's your response? Ouch.

Have you seen the demo video, it is really impressive and AFAIK OpenAI does not has similar features product offering at the moment, demo or released. Google essentially claimed a novel approach of native multi-modal LLM unlike OpenAI non-native approach and doing so according to them has the potential to further improve LLM the state-of-the-art. They have also backup their claims in a paper for the world to see and…

What makes it native?

Re: Gemini AI

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Post by teleforce »

alberth wrote: post #457
EZ-E wrote: post #362

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Investors are getting impatient! ChatGPT has already replaced Google for me and I wonder if Google starts to feel the pressure.

> "ChatGPT has already replaced Google for me" Would you mind elaborating more on this. Like how are you "searching" with ChatGPT?

Not the OP but ChatGPT has not replaced Google for me just yet, but I use it increasingly to find stuff online now and it's really intuitive and helpful with much less 'noises' as you normally get from Google search. But as for now the online service is far from smooth (intermittent), not as fast and seamless as Google search.

Granted I use ChatGPT-4 with subscription but if later the online RAG browsing feature is opened for free to the public I can see more people abandoning Google for casual searching (i.e most of the Internet users). They keyword here is 'casual' and what LLM provided us is the intuitive nature of searching using it even with miss spellings or missing words.

I think Google is realizing this and before this exodus really happened it needs to do something otherwise the adage of "nothing last forever" will come true sooner or later for Google. The main thing for Google now is how to monetize this technology assuming that they have similar product because all this while they are struggling with Deepmind to generate income and, voila ChatGPT just shows them how to do it. Now it seems they are taking a page from Apple (highest ranked company by market value) by providing tiers of service Ultra, Pro and Nano, and me think the Ultra will be most probably subscription based.

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