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OpenAI staff threaten to quit unless board resigns

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Post by bugglebeetle »

blazespin wrote: post #881
himaraya wrote: post #549

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is wrong. Microsoft has no such rights and its license comes with restrictions, per the cited primary source, meaning a fork would require a very careful approach. https://www.wsj.com/articles/microsoft-and-openai-forge-awkw...

I think without looking at the contracts, we don't really know. Given this is all based on transformers from Google though, I am pretty sure MSFT with the right team could build a better LLM. The key ingredient appears to be mass GPU and infra, tbh, with a collection of engineers who know how to work at scale.

> I am pretty sure MSFT with the right team could build a better LLM.

I wouldn’t count on that if Microsoft’s legal team does a review of the training data.

Re: OpenAI staff threaten to quit unless board resigns

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Post by treis »

spaceman_2020 wrote: post #632
nostrademons wrote: post #551

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could be a way to get backdoor-acquihired by Microsoft without a diligence process or board approval. Open up what they have accomplished for public consumption; kick off a massive hype cycle; downplay the problems around hallucinations and abuse; negotiate fat new stock grants for everyone at Microsoft at the peak of the hype cycle; and now all the problems related to actually making this a sustainable, legal techno…

I can assure you, none of the people at OpenAI are hurting for lack of employment opportunities.

Which makes it suspicious that they end up at MS 48 hours after being fired.

Re: OpenAI staff threaten to quit unless board resigns

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Post by rvba »

SiempreViernes wrote: post #441
antiviral wrote: post #110

Can anyone explain this? “Remarkably, the letter’s signees include Ilya Sutskever, the company’s chief scientist and a member of its board, who has been blamed for coordinating the boardroom coup against Altman in the first place.”

Maybe he did because he regrets it, maybe the open letter is a google doc someone typed names into.

Now the 3 boardmembers can kick out Ilya too. So must be sorry.

Fill the rest of the board with spouses and grandparents and are set for life?

Re: OpenAI staff threaten to quit unless board resigns

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Post by kreeben »

fuddle wrote: post #864
breadwinner wrote: post #51

If they join Sam Altman and Greg Brockman at Microsoft they will not need to start from scratch because Microsoft has full rights [1] to ChatGPT IP. They can just fork ChatGPT. Also keep in mind that Microsoft hasn't actually given OpenAI $13 Billion because much of that is in the form of Azure credits. So this could end up being the cheapest acquisition for Microsoft: They get a $90 Billion company for peanuts. [1]…

Oh man, I'm not looking forward to Microsoft AGI.

"You need to reboot your Microsoft AGI. Do you want to do it now or now?"

Re: OpenAI staff threaten to quit unless board resigns

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Post by jrflowers »

I love this letter posted in Wired along with the claim that it has 600 signatories without any links or screenshots. I also love that not a single OpenAI employee was interviewed for this article.

None of this is important because if we’ve learned anything over the past couple of days it’s that media outlets are taking painstaking care to accurately report on this company.

Re: OpenAI staff threaten to quit unless board resigns

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Post by jdthedisciple »

mdekkers wrote: post #895
churchill wrote: post #791

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly this. I saw another commenter raise this point about Tasha (and Helen, if I remember correctly) noting that her LinkedIn profile is filled with SV-related jargon and indulge-the-wife thinktanks but without any real experience taking products to market or scaling up technology companies. Given the pool of talent they could have chosen from their board makeup looks extremely poor.

> indulge-the-wife thinktanks Regardless of context, this is an incredibly demeaning comment. Shame on you

Truth hurts sometimes, eh?

Re: OpenAI staff threaten to quit unless board resigns

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Post by blazespin »

bugglebeetle wrote: post #901
blazespin wrote: post #881

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think without looking at the contracts, we don't really know. Given this is all based on transformers from Google though, I am pretty sure MSFT with the right team could build a better LLM. The key ingredient appears to be mass GPU and infra, tbh, with a collection of engineers who know how to work at scale.

> I am pretty sure MSFT with the right team could build a better LLM. I wouldn’t count on that if Microsoft’s legal team does a review of the training data.

Yeah, that's an interesting point. But I think with appropriate RAG techniques and proper citations, a future LLM can get around the copyright issues.

The problem right now with GPT4 is that it's not citing its sources (for non search based stuff), which is immoral and maybe even a valid reason to sue over.

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