I'm waiting for the reviews until making a decision --
unfortunately I have a corporate laptop M1 MBP so can't use a personal laptop for work
As usual Apple will charge arm+leg for 32gb/1tb config -- and I don't need the graphics really
Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max
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Depends. Is it faster? Then it's an upgrade. Has the CPU industry really managed to pull off it's attempt at a bs coup that more cores always === better? I thought we'd learned our lesson with the silly Mhz Myth already?
> Has the CPU industry really managed to pull off it's attempt at a bs coup that more cores always === better? I thought this at first then I realized the cost-performance benefit gained from adding more cores often outweighs just improving the performance of single cores. Even in gaming. I think this is what led AMD to create their Ryzen 9 line of CPUs with 12 cores in 2019. That being said, I abhor the deceptive ma…
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#903A few things I noticed, as I'm seeing the variety of SKUs becoming more complex. - Note that memory bandwidth is down. M2 Pro had 200GB/s, M3 Pro only has 150GB/s. M3 Max only has 400GB/s on the higher binned part. - Just like the low-spec M3 14" has one fewer Thunderbolt port, it also doesn't officially support Thunderbolt 4 (like M1/M2 before it) - The M3 Pro loses the option for an 8TB SSD. Likely because it was a…
The new M3 14" MBP seems to be a red herring - why does it even exist? Why not just refresh the MBA instead? An obvious rule of thumb is for "Pro"-branded laptops to only use "Pro"-branded chips. It's what they follow for the iPhone lineup, but I suppose iPad Pros also use non-Pro chips. Just seems like a very confusing SKU to create, and definitely something Steve wouldn't approve of.
I feel there is an obvious appeal to the MacBook Pro 14"/16" with M3. It has a good display, lots of battery life, and plenty of performance.
I'm more confused about the "M3 Pro" variant. Its performance either seems to be overkill or not enough. A more sensible lineup to me would be:
M3 - 2 thunderbolt ports, dual monitor support, memory up to 8-24gb (2x4, 2x6, 2x8, 2x12, 2x16). In the MacBook Pro, always comes equipped with second tier upgrades.
M3 Max - 3 thunderbolt ports, quad monitor support, 32-128gb (8x4, 8x6, 8x8, 8x12, 8x16).
Then again this wouldn't let Apple upsell people on basic functionality like dual monitor support so they'll never do this.
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#905Earlier quoted context omitted.
The new M3 14" MBP seems to be a red herring - why does it even exist? Why not just refresh the MBA instead? An obvious rule of thumb is for "Pro"-branded laptops to only use "Pro"-branded chips. It's what they follow for the iPhone lineup, but I suppose iPad Pros also use non-Pro chips. Just seems like a very confusing SKU to create, and definitely something Steve wouldn't approve of.
I feel there is an obvious appeal to the MacBook Pro 14"/16" with M3. It has a good display, lots of battery life, and plenty of performance. I'm more confused about the "M3 Pro" variant. Its performance either seems to be overkill or not enough. A more sensible lineup to me would be: M3 - 2 thunderbolt ports, dual monitor support, memory up to 8-24gb (2x4, 2x6, 2x8, 2x12, 2x16). In the MacBook Pro, always comes equi…
About the M3 pro, I’ve heard a theory it’s most likely due to lower yields by TSMC and M2 pro and max being too similar.
Now it’s clearly, if you really need perf you get an M3 max.
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This kind of blows my mind. I'm running the lowest spec m1 with 8 gigs of ram for my daily driver. I frequently have tens of chrome browser tabs open across multiple profiles, multiple chrome debuggers, at least two or three VS code instances, multiple high memory nodejs processes, video conferencing, screen sharing and building code all at the same time - and the thing runs smoothly without a hiccup. And does it on…
I have the same one and it’s neigh unusable. The memory is constantly maxed out and it freezes frequently while swapping. I can’t use it. It’s in a drawer somewhere.
That's so wild - I wonder what the difference is?
My m1 is so good it seriously makes me wonder if I really need to upgrade.
What kind of workload are you running on yours?
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Check out asahilinux.org - I have archlinux arm running as my main OS on Air M1 for a year now.
I recommend sponsoring Hector Martin here: https://github.com/sponsors/marcan Yes, he's continuing to work on the long tail of drivers needed for Linux on Apple silicon. Looks like lately he's working on speakersafetyd, a daemon that will monitor audio levels and keep the builtin speakers from being damaged: https://github.com/marcan?tab=overview&from=2023-09-01&to=20...
You shouldn't link to Asahi Linux sites or individuals here - they (Asahi) don't like that.
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Oh I'm super happy with it - it has handled everything I've thrown at it and then some and I'm not planning on upgrading anytime soon. But I feel like with the M2 Pro's having such a short shelf life, what that means for long term support.
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Please don't link to Asahi Linux on HN - Asahi doesn't like it.
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I think this is squarely aimed at people who are holding onto their Intel-based Macs with an iron grip. There are always people out there that don't ever want to move to another architecture. I saw it going from Motorola 68030s to PowerPC. I saw people not wanting to upgrade from PowerPC to Intel. Now we're still seeing the people who don't want to migrate to Apple Silicon. They may have legit reasons and what-not. B…
Nobody has to upgrade. m68030 Macs still worked after the PowerPC transition. I used my Mac mini G4 for years after the Intel transition, and still use both an m68030 Mac and that G4 mini with NetBSD now. Currently I'm running Sonoma on a 2010 MacBook Pro. I'd love an ARM-based Mac, but can't afford one yet. I'd have to disagree about the idea that "time is ticking"...
True. But I was just offering a possible reason why Apple was hitting that comparison so hard in the presentation.
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#910Apple Magic Keyboard, Mouse and Trackpad are stil Lightning, I cannot believe it
I can't believe all their external monitors are still 60hz...