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Re: The Cloud Computer

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Post by keepamovin »

a_imho wrote: post #615
keepamovin wrote: post #309

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Can you explain more about your view that it should not be the norm to provide equal compensation for equal work?

It was a bad edit, it (should not be controversial | should be the norm) to expect equal compensation for equal work. In slightly more detail https://elsajohansson.wordpress.com/2017/09/13/what-does-a-w... https://elsajohansson.wordpress.com/2022/09/16/the-wage-gap-...

If that's your blog, well done! I am totally on board with everything you say there. I've been thinking this way for years, thanks for articulating some more reasons why this is really important! Love your work! :)

Re: The Cloud Computer

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Post by tgtweak »

Kick ass project, been following bcantril since before Joyent and as a (server/infra + sysadmin nerd this really hits home): Are there plans to build some public-cloud-esque software add-ons to offer cloud-native equivalents to s3, serverless-functions, message queues, etc?

I feel like the "running your own datacenter" complexity of on prem is a big part of why companies go to the cloud in the first place - but that a good amount of cloud lock-in is actually in the software/service stack and reliance on it. I know there is a competent open source option for most of these services (and in fact most are repackaged open source software...), but they do seem pretty disparate and require quite a fair bit of knowledge and expertise to deploy and run at scale.

Secondary question in the same thread: What about "accounting"? Running infrastructure at large-scale companies (such that would look at a rack-level solution) usually entails budgeting and accounting of resources - how does oxide simplify this for infrastructure ops trying to keep the various IT consumers honest?

Re: The Cloud Computer

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Post by electroly »

linklocaladdr wrote: post #859
electroly wrote: post #454

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It's mostly not true that you still pay for resource usage on top of the Outpost unit. That's only true, AFAIK, for EBS local snapshots and Route 53 Resolver endpoints. The big boys--EC2 instances, S3 storage, and EBS volumes--are all "free" on Outposts. That is, included in the cost of the unit and not double-charged. Charging for EBS local snapshots on your own Outpost S3 storage and Route 53 Resolvers on your own…

Route 53 on outposts doesn’t charge for your own compute. The outpost resolver is free. The oupost resolver endpoint must be backed by an in-region resolver endpoint, which doesn’t become free just because you own an outpost. What you’re paying for is the ability to sustain high query volume from instances in your VPC to an on-prem DNS server.

Thank you for this explanation!

Re: The Cloud Computer

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Post by electroly »

linklocaladdr wrote: post #862
electroly wrote: post #300

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AWS Outposts is the solution. I like Oxide but people seem to be blind to the actual competition when they focus on Dell as the competitor. AWS has been shipping Outposts racks for years. All prices are public on their website and you can order it today. Nearly every configuration is sub-$500k. Fully managed and AWS supports the entire stack; no buck-passing among vendors, same as Oxide.

I’m not sure where his customers are, but Outpost up/downlinks are supposed to to be at least 1gbit, and they don’t behave well in situations where the latency to the paired region is high. EBS lazy loading blocks is great in region but awful when your ping is 300ms.

You can use EBS Local Snapshots, can't you? It stores in your Outpost S3 storage.

Re: The Cloud Computer

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Post by eduction »

jeffrallen wrote: post #891
speed_spread wrote: post #886

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I have a feeling they knew exactly from the start who their customers would be: People who have the budget to care about things like trust and observability in a complex system. But these would also be the kind of customers who require absolute secrecy and so this why you don't hear about them even though they might have bankrolled a sizable portion of the operation. Just like the first Cray to officially be shipped…

Can you imagine trying to investigate Bryan for a security clearance? "Sir, if you have nothing to hide, why do you talk so fast, and pronounce words like a foreigner who learned English from a book?" :) We love you Bryan, never change.

Oh to be a fly on the wall for the first OxideOracle partnership discussion…

Re: The Cloud Computer

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Post by foobarian »

lostdog wrote: post #497
goldinfra wrote: post #403

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Coupling vs Decoupling is not some one-sided thing. It's a major trade-off. One of the most obvious examples of the problem with this approach is that they're shipping previous generation servers on Day 1. One can easily buy current generation AMD servers from a number of vendors. They will also likely charge a significant premium over decoupled vendors that are forced to compete head-to-head for a specific role (ser…

If they standardize and open the server shape and plug interface then it gets really cool. Then I could go design a GPU server myself and add it to their rack. The rack is no longer a hyperconverged single-user proprietary setup and becomes something that can be extended and repurposed.

"The Framework Cloud"

Re: The Cloud Computer

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Post by hollerith »

Voultapher wrote: post #313
bigironcto wrote: post #258

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Thank you for the response. The problem you described has been solved by the large vendors with Hyper-converged offerings for many years so it sounds like Oxide might be a bit late to the party. I do understand well the rational of running your own servers vs hyperscalers, as well as the repatriation trend but I see Oxide at best as a niche player.

Genuine question, you mention Hyper-converged, can you point to anything that comes even close to the experience you presumably get from the Oxide offering.

Although it might be true that the existing vendors don't provide a good experience, I'm still a little miffed that the OP does not even mention the existence of the existing vendors.

Re: The Cloud Computer

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Post by steveklabnik »

hulitu wrote: post #861
nickik wrote: post #103

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Literally on the main page there is a picture of a big computer. And then it says: Oxide Cloud Computer No Cables. No Assembly. Just Cloud. Contact Sales How much easier can they make it? They clearly want to sell computers.

> Literally on the main page there is a picture of a big computer. And then it says: So it is big, it looks good, but no specs. What architecture ? Some "cinebench" numbers ...

Specs are here: https://oxide.computer/product/specifications

Re: The Cloud Computer

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Post by a_imho »

keepamovin wrote: post #901
a_imho wrote: post #615

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was a bad edit, it (should not be controversial | should be the norm) to expect equal compensation for equal work. In slightly more detail https://elsajohansson.wordpress.com/2017/09/13/what-does-a-w... https://elsajohansson.wordpress.com/2022/09/16/the-wage-gap-...

If that's your blog, well done! I am totally on board with everything you say there. I've been thinking this way for years, thanks for articulating some more reasons why this is really important! Love your work! :)

Thank you for taking a look. Be warned though, I'm personally affected and just as biased as everyone else on both sides of the issue.
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