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Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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Post by selimthegrim »

anigbrowl wrote: post #839
zenkat wrote: post #608

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think that says more about Hacker News than SF. There's a level of hate for the city here that I don't understand. Feels a bit like a vendetta sometimes.

A lot of people on HN came to SF from elsewhere for money/career reasons, and were upset to discover that the city is not an extension of the Moscone Center (ironically enough named after a former mayor who was murdered - by one of the city supervisors who thought he was too 'woke': https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Moscone ).

Not to completely call Moscone the height of evil but there are definite allegations about him taking money/influence peddling from Jim Jones and the People’s Temple

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Post by woodruffw »

Alupis wrote: post #897
woodruffw wrote: post #896

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Absolutely none of this justifies blaming every violent crime on homeless people, as HN is quick to do. SF is not an outlier, nationally, in terms of the proportion of violent crimes perpetrated by people known to their victims.

> in terms of the proportion of violent crimes perpetrated by people known to their victims The factoid you're trying to cite is specifically about murder. Most homicides are indeed committed by someone the victim knew. SF's homicide rate isn't out of proportion with other big cities. It's crime rate is, however, and the overwhelming majority of crime being committed there right now happens to be from homeless transi…

This is what I'm talking about: this is a thread about a violent crime, and you're talking about quality of life. This has nothing to do with the tragedy at hand, and conflating the two only serves to demonize society's most needy.

If you find that SF's quality of life doesn't suit you, then don't live there. I don't.

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Post by a_bonobo »

woodruffw wrote: post #896
Alupis wrote: post #895

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Absolutely none of this justifies blaming every violent crime on homeless people, as HN is quick to do. SF is not an outlier, nationally, in terms of the proportion of violent crimes perpetrated by people known to their victims.

You're right, here's some data to support your point:

>In 2020, the reported violent crime rate in S.F. was 21% below the average of 20 most populous cities other than San Francisco for which there was full 2020 data available. Meanwhile, the city’s property crime rate was 41% above average.

>San Francisco’s violent crime rate has declined significantly since the early 1990s – a trend that is consistent with the rest of the state. Anti-gun violence initiatives in S.F. may have contributed to this trend.

https://www.sfchronicle.com/projects/2022/fixing-san-francis...

>“We found little relationship between encampments and nearly all forms of reported property crime,” Lanfear said, “but a very strong link between reported property crime and complaints about homelessness.”

https://sfstandard.com/criminal-justice/poll-crime-and-homel...

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Post by ecshafer »

rootusrootus wrote: post #209
ecshafer wrote: post #174

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I went to Portland for a week last year. I saw 6 different instances of a violent, obviously mentally ill, presumably homeless person physically attack a random person (once at a restaurant, twice at a tram station, thrice on the street, all broad daylight). That was more instances that I had seen in 5 years in Philadelphia, a city jokingly referred to as Killadelphia. Portland might not have a lot of gang violence (…

I've lived in the vicinity of Portland for almost 50 years and haven't seen as much violence as you did in one week. You must have been hanging in really rough area of town, or just got very unlucky.

This was staying in Downtown and the "Lloyd District" I suppose it was called. Leaving those areas did seem a bit better, but it was still pretty bad. In the same time frame I was in downtown Newark, Trenton, Baltimore, Detroit, NYC. Portland was by far the worst of the bunch.

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Post by roflyear »

woodruffw wrote: post #894

This is shocking and saddening, and should also be a lesson to this community: previous threads on this tragedy immediately jumped to blaming the homeless, when the overwhelming majority of violent crimes are committed by individuals known to the victim. Edit: Added "violent," to preempt diversions about non-violent crimes.

Most people saying that probably didn't even live in California. Awful people

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Post by mixdup »

nier wrote: post #879

Is it common for police to release so much personal information on a suspect? The linked article contains the full name, age, and city of residency.

Yes, almost always. That information is public record and part of the arrest record

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Post by hbarka »

woodruffw wrote: post #894

This is shocking and saddening, and should also be a lesson to this community: previous threads on this tragedy immediately jumped to blaming the homeless, when the overwhelming majority of violent crimes are committed by individuals known to the victim. Edit: Added "violent," to preempt diversions about non-violent crimes.

This doesn't mean San Francisco is exonerated from being a crime-laden city. It's an inconvenient truth but car break-ins, looting of retail shops, open air drug markets, unhygienic streets, and rampant homelessness are worse than ever.

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Post by eftychis »

As the old "joke" goes it is always the butler, the business partner or the spouse.

Anyways, really sad story, that touched a lot of us close to home. (We still don't know what happened, these are still allegations.)

P.S. The other sad part for me was that passersby sped away instead of helping immediately. Moments count in these cases.

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Post by Retric »

prawn wrote: post #883
nier wrote: post #879

Is it common for police to release so much personal information on a suspect? The linked article contains the full name, age, and city of residency.

I've seen an article about this suspect that includes their address, what they paid for the house, other places they've lived, etc. Different to police releasing information though.

Yea, a great deal of information is available to the public once you have their name and city. Which isn’t really a new thing, many phone books used to include peoples address alongside their names and phone numbers.
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