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I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by kolinko »

moritonal wrote: post #161
netbioserror wrote: post #86

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What a profoundly naive opinion. Most people find meaning, fulfillment, even contentment in working, especially when the problems are engaging and the solutions produce value. Many people claim their lives would be better if they never had to work, but they are bullshitting themselves with childhood naivete. Not working is a sucking void of boredom, nihilism, hedonism, and despair. I've been through some of that befo…

The words "most" and "many" there are doing some herculean lifting. Look at the kind of people who do not have to work. Do they still work? No. Some sit on a beach and never lift a finger again, some become creatives and some try to recreate their successes again. None work what would be an engaging and productful job at a take-away joint.

I know a bunch, and all of them work.

Also, you’re posting on a forum made by hand by a person who didn’t have to work.

And the whole OpenAI thing is being run by a person who is a retiree as well.

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by tekknik »

bryanlarsen wrote: post #145
netbioserror wrote: post #86

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What a profoundly naive opinion. Most people find meaning, fulfillment, even contentment in working, especially when the problems are engaging and the solutions produce value. Many people claim their lives would be better if they never had to work, but they are bullshitting themselves with childhood naivete. Not working is a sucking void of boredom, nihilism, hedonism, and despair. I've been through some of that befo…

The French have a saying "Life begins after retirement". They find meaning, fulfillment and contentment in, for example, stretching a meal out over 4 hours through conversation. Whether the French viewpoint or the American viewpoint is healthier can be found in the mortality rates.

Given that you listed the American viewpoint, what exactly do you think it is?

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by throwaway675309 »

hparadiz wrote: post #93

I asked GPT4 to write me a simple document. Took like 9 tries and I had to proof read it and make adjustments. And that's with a simple paragraph in a written language. Forget about doing the header and the footer properly. It's silly that I have to spell it out on HN of all places. Writing code is much more complex. There's a reason we call the job "Software Engineer". GPT doesn't know what it doesn't know. It doesn…

Funny that you cited GitHub action, because I find that to be the absolute tedious devops boilerplate that chat GPT excels at, and have had it write several of them for me already.

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by tekknik »

ilyt wrote: post #741
zamnos wrote: post #739

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In the history of political movements, have there been any that have been successful with slowing progress? The Luddites failed to. stop the industrial revolution, despite all the looms they broke. The cat's been released from BagGPT, and even if all the world's countries ban AGI research (somehow), that's just going to drive the work underground, and the first ones to get usefully further along the curve will be abl…

Let's just try to tax the progress so the billions of profits from making people's jobs obsolete won't just go back to billionaires again

So then they move to another country, who maybe wants to use it for nefarious reasons, who won’t tax them.

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by tekknik »

Nifty3929 wrote: post #480
Aaargh20318 wrote: post #29

The big oversight here is that Priya does not want a job , what Priya wants is an income . The point of life is not working, the point of life is to enjoy it. We should strive to eliminate as many jobs as we possibly can, the less we have to work the better it is. To make this possible we need to find a way to a new system that doesn't directly link labour with income .

Yes, exactly! Imagine as a thought experiment that we can produce everything we do today, but with zero labor due to automation. This would be a miracle for humanity! For one thing, we could use all our free time however we want, including working to produce still more stuff, or just go hiking. The real problem is how to distribute the goods and services produced - and there a UBI is probably the right answer. Machin…

You’re glossing over a lot of specifics. Who owns the machines? Who dictates how much food you get? Medical care? Who says who can have children? And how many?

Or will this result in infinite food, water, and shelter?

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by tekknik »

Nifty3929 wrote: post #852
s__s wrote: post #764

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As soon as you rely on UBI to live you’ve lost all control of your own life. Your a child with an allowance. The state has absolute authority over you. The government is already controlled and influenced primarily by nefarious interests. I can’t even begin to imagine how nasty it gets when the entire population relies on them for mere sustenance.

It doesn't have to be that way. For one thing, you don't need to means test it. Just give the same amount of money to everyone. Then if you work you still end up ahead. So no dis-incentive to work. For another, if implemented properly the amount would go down if production declined, or up if production increases. This way it's self-correcting in the aggregate. As people leave the workforce, the UBI goes down, nudging…

If everybody makes the same amount then all you’ve done is inflate the currency. Money is used to control access to finite resources, with the goal to get more tokens than the other person. If you give everybody X tokens per month, then in aggregate things will cost X tokens more.

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by nullsense »

flangola7 wrote: post #884
nullsense wrote: post #849

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>The amount of misery under "capitalism" says there's got to be a better way. I'm not quite sure why people think that a misery free world ought to be possible and/or the default.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say. Obviously we should try to reduce misery when we can. There's no lack of it on this planet

I'm OK with accepting a certain amount of it. It's a thing. Is there a configuration under which there is no misery? What's the minimum possible amount of misery we could hope to achieve? My problem is that when people's thinking tends to go along the lines of "misery is bad therefore we must eliminate all of it" they come to conclusions that are counterproductive because they're trying to break the laws of physics.

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by lisasays »

mertd wrote: post #655
bayarearefugee wrote: post #646

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I don't think people appreciate the mass disruption of a shift like this happening across so many industries all at the same time. This sort of professional shift works when automation comes for a subset of a single sector, but we're looking at an everywhere all at once situation. How many plumbers are we going to need, exactly? I also don't think people appreciate the absolute social turmoil that will occur as a res…

People are very good at creating work. Every time tech creates a paradigm shift and people cry that there will be not enough work, the exact opposite happens.

When people cry that there will be not enough work, the exact opposite happens.

Nevermind that these people aren't crybabies - and that it is incredible condescending to paint them as such.

More fundamentally - what you're asserting as a self-evident fact is massively contradicted by what is probably the single largest sea change in many Western countries in the last 50 years - the systemic disappearance of solid middle-class jobs (and at least some form of community in many places), due exactly to these nifty "paradigm shifts" you are referring to.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deindustrialization

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by AdityaSanthosh »

ThorsBane wrote: post #286

GPT-4 will accelerate the enjoyable aspects of every job and reduce the tedious aspects. For everyone. No form of labor is excluded. GPT-4 can be hooked up to Boston Dynamics hardware to create the robots from iRobot. Every form of labor can now be automated. What this means is we have achieved universal basic income where we can now economically justify massive benefits for every citizen on the basis of completely a…

The best comment for me here. Thank you. Even though I can automate my web app through AI, i still want to learn Rails because I want to.

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by tekknik »

lm28469 wrote: post #821
pixl97 wrote: post #227

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When we built the first airplane it could barely carry a single person and didn't go far... We are just barely touching digital general intelligence, and we're not even using API enabled versions that use tooling. And that's what we have today. Tell me, what is AI going to do tomorrow? >If you're worried about GPT taking over your job you just show your own lack of knowledge and experience. Oh, I'm glad you popped ou…

> When we built the first airplane it could barely carry a single person and didn't go far Yet here we are still flying in more or less the same.hsit we flew in 70 years ago (Boeing 707) No space plane, no faster than sound travel, &c.

> No space plane, no faster than sound travel, &c.

Look outside of the civilian market then come back. Also look harder at the civilian market.

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