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Re: ChatGPT Plugins

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Post by TeMPOraL »

astrange wrote: post #807
TeMPOraL wrote: post #736

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Counterpoint: whatever you define as individual "AI person" entitled to some rights, that "species" will be able to reproduce orders of magnitude faster than us - literally at the speed of moving data through the Internet, perhaps capped by the rate at which factories can churn out more compute. So imagine you grant AI people rights to resources, or self-determination. Or literally anything that might conflict with o…

This kind of fantasy about AIs exponentially growing and multiplying seems to be based on pretending nobody's gonna have to pay the exponential power bills for them to do all this.

It doesn't have to be exponential over long duration - it just has to be that there are more AI people than human people.

Re: ChatGPT Plugins

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Post by imp0cat »

ricochet11 wrote: post #887
int_19h wrote: post #629

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Russia is already blocked from ChatGPT and Bing; I don't know about China. But it's all security theater. Plenty of people use it with VPNs, and I know several who found it useful / interesting enough to bother paying for it (which involves foreign credit cards etc so it's kind of a hassle). I'm sure so does the Russian govt. In any case, I don't see how you could realistically block any of that without effectively w…

Working at a chinese university. Everyone (students and teachers) using chatgpt, officially openai don't let you access from china. but everyone has vpns, even the university internet is all behind a hong kong vpn (as google etc is useful). It does all feel like weird theatre that just makes anything american slightly annoying to use. So theres local startups and researchers working on replicating these things and ma…

If China does not have Google equivalent and chinese people are instead forced to use Google via vpn, what makes you think China will make some AI-related product available to the whole world?

It will most likely be a closely-guarded secret one, no?

Re: ChatGPT Plugins

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Post by revelio »

TechnicolorByte wrote: post #739
nemo44x wrote: post #715

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Google is the Xerox GUI of our day. They invented this tech and did nothing with it while an upstart and Microsoft, ironically enough, took it and ran. They don’t even have a great data moat. They are in serious trouble.

Are you saying that Google doesn’t have a great data moat? That seems completely off considering Google search, YouTube, GCP, Google for Education/Work, Android, etc.

And yet, Bard seems to be worse than ChatGPT. Google aren't the only ones who can crawl the web. Given the depth of their index and how much spam it contains it might not even be the asset it seems.

Re: ChatGPT Plugins

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Post by Borrible »

chatmasta wrote: post #418
jehb wrote: post #370

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> The faster we build the future, the better. Why? Getting to "the future" isn't a goal in and of itself. It's just a different state with a different set of problems, some of which we've proven that we're not prepared to anticipate or respond to before they cause serious harm.

When in human history have we ever intentionally not furthered technological progress? It's simply an unrealistic proposition, especially when the costs of doing it are so low that anyone with sufficient GPU power and knowledge of the latest research can get pretty close to the cutting edge. So the best we can hope for is that someone ethical is the first to advance that technological progress. I hope you wouldn't ad…

>Software wants to be free.

And here I always thought, people want to be free.

Re: ChatGPT Plugins

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Post by qikInNdOutReply »

jehb wrote: post #370
chatmasta wrote: post #353

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Pshhh... I think it's awesome. The faster we build the future, the better. What annoys me is this is just further evidence that their "AI Safety" is nothing but lip-service, when they're clearly moving fast and breaking things. Just the other day they had a bug where you could see the chat history of other users! (Which, btw, they're now claiming in a modal on login was due to a "bug in an open source library" - anyo…

> The faster we build the future, the better. Why? Getting to "the future" isn't a goal in and of itself. It's just a different state with a different set of problems, some of which we've proven that we're not prepared to anticipate or respond to before they cause serious harm.

Because a conservative notion in a unstable, moving situation kills you? No sitting out the whole affair in a hut, when the situation is a mountain slide?

Which also makes a hostile AI a futile scenario. The worst AI has to do to take out the species, is lean back and do nothing. We are well under way on the way out by ourselves..

Re: ChatGPT Plugins

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Post by lm28469 »

chatmasta wrote: post #353
mk_stjames wrote: post #277

I have some odd feelings about this. It took less than a year to go from "of course it isn't hooked up to the internet in any way, silly!" to "ok.... so we hooked up up to the internet..." First is your API calls, then your chatgpt-jailbreak-turns-into-a-bank-DDOS-attack, then your "today it somehow executed several hundred thousand threads of a python script that made perfectly timed trades at 8:31AM on the NYSE whi…

Pshhh... I think it's awesome. The faster we build the future, the better. What annoys me is this is just further evidence that their "AI Safety" is nothing but lip-service, when they're clearly moving fast and breaking things. Just the other day they had a bug where you could see the chat history of other users! (Which, btw, they're now claiming in a modal on login was due to a "bug in an open source library" - anyo…

> The faster we build the future, the better.

lmao, 200 years of industrial revolution, we're on the verge of fucking the planet irremediably, and we should rush even faster

> So why the performative whinging about safety? Just let it rip!

Have you heard about DDT ? lead in paint ? leaded gas ? freon ? asbestos ? &c.

What's new isn't necessarily progress/future/desirable

Re: ChatGPT Plugins

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Post by Borrible »

bulbosaur123 wrote: post #420
mk_stjames wrote: post #277

I have some odd feelings about this. It took less than a year to go from "of course it isn't hooked up to the internet in any way, silly!" to "ok.... so we hooked up up to the internet..." First is your API calls, then your chatgpt-jailbreak-turns-into-a-bank-DDOS-attack, then your "today it somehow executed several hundred thousand threads of a python script that made perfectly timed trades at 8:31AM on the NYSE whi…

Ultimate destruction from AGI is inevitable anyway, so why not accelerate it and just get it over with? I applaud releasing these tools to public no matter how dangerous they are. If it's not meant for humanity to survive, so be it. At least it won't be BORING

Immanentizing the Eschaton!

Re: ChatGPT Plugins

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Post by lm28469 »

bulbosaur123 wrote: post #583
kibwen wrote: post #544

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> The faster we build the future, the better. Famous last words. It's not the fall that kills you, it's the sudden stop at the end. Change, even massive change, is perfectly survivable when it's spread over a long enough period of time. 100m of sea level rise would be survivable over the course of ten millennia. It would end human civilization if it happened tomorrow morning. Society is already struggling to adapt to…

False equivalence. Sea level raise is unequivocally harmful. While everyone getting Einstein in a pocket is damn awesome and incredibly useful. How can this be bad?

> How can this be bad?

Guys, how can abestos be bad, it's just a stringy rock ehe

Bros, leaded paint ? bad ? really ? what, do you think kids will eat the flakes because they're sweet ? aha so funny

Come on freon can't be that bad, we just put a little bit in the system, it's like nothing happened

What do you mean we shouldn't spray whole beaches and school classes with DDT ? It just kills insects obviously it's safe for human organs

Re: ChatGPT Plugins

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Post by gniv »

chatmasta wrote: post #353
mk_stjames wrote: post #277

I have some odd feelings about this. It took less than a year to go from "of course it isn't hooked up to the internet in any way, silly!" to "ok.... so we hooked up up to the internet..." First is your API calls, then your chatgpt-jailbreak-turns-into-a-bank-DDOS-attack, then your "today it somehow executed several hundred thousand threads of a python script that made perfectly timed trades at 8:31AM on the NYSE whi…

Pshhh... I think it's awesome. The faster we build the future, the better. What annoys me is this is just further evidence that their "AI Safety" is nothing but lip-service, when they're clearly moving fast and breaking things. Just the other day they had a bug where you could see the chat history of other users! (Which, btw, they're now claiming in a modal on login was due to a "bug in an open source library" - anyo…

> The faster we build the future, the better.

You're getting flak for this. For me, the positive reading of this statement is the faster we build it, the faster we find the specific dangers and can start building (or asking for) protections.

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