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Joint statement by the Department of the Treasury, Federal Reserve, and FDIC

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Re: Joint statement by the Department of the Treasury, Federal Reserve, and FDIC

#901

We deserve to see more useful top comments on this matter. The top ones in this and the main announcement thread [1] are just ad hominem complaining against some ostensibly "salty" or "cognitively dissonant" majority. Let's talk about skin in the game and bailouts. Explain to a peasant why he should have to share the risk you took with your money. Explain to him this game being played where he gains nothing when you…

>If these statements are true, can someone explain how it's possible that despositors are fully protected, far beyond what FDIC insures, without the taxpayer bearing any of the burden?

The shareholders already lost everything and unsecured creditors are about to lose everything. That's still not enough to make all depositors whole though, which is why the statement said the FDIC will be paying for the rest and funding that payment by "a special assessment on banks". Therefore, the simple answer to your question is "all other FDIC insured banks, rather than the taxpayers, are picking up the tab here".

Re: Joint statement by the Department of the Treasury, Federal Reserve, and FDIC

#902

We deserve to see more useful top comments on this matter. The top ones in this and the main announcement thread [1] are just ad hominem complaining against some ostensibly "salty" or "cognitively dissonant" majority. Let's talk about skin in the game and bailouts. Explain to a peasant why he should have to share the risk you took with your money. Explain to him this game being played where he gains nothing when you…

You are better off because the government is helping, and so are all of the people in the country who need to work for a living and need companies to work for. You can't let the banking system collapse and expect it will only hurt the people you don't like. > If these statements are true, can someone explain how it's possible that despositors are fully protected, far beyond what FDIC insures, without the taxpayer bea…

> On top of that, SVB has the money to pay back almost all of the depositors. They just don't have it liquid right now because it's in bonds that won't mature for a while and would need to be sold for a loss.

Imagine another bank BVS of similar size that didn’t quite have the money. It has lost part of it in monkey NFTs or whatever. They have a loss similar to the mark-to-market loss of SVB.

Can they buy the same bonds that SVB has to patch the hole in their balance sheet? Can they then say “we have the money, we just don’t have it liquid right now because it's in bonds that won't mature for a while ”?

If not, why not? Both banks would have the same assets.

Re: Joint statement by the Department of the Treasury, Federal Reserve, and FDIC

#903

I have never seen such cognitive dissonance here at HN -- which I feel is really saying something! As an SVB customer who had to wire payroll on Tuesday, our perspective is naturally sharpened, but I found the lack of empathy here over the weekend galling. On the one hand, this is understandable, and Silicon Valley has done much to earn collective distrust. On the other hand, this is emphatically not all of us: many…

>I have never seen such cognitive dissonance here at HN

The cognitive dissonance is that most sv startups and SVB clients are run by people with very strong right wing economic beliefs. Suddenly when they're affected they're asking for bailouts of the parent institution so that they're not affected because of "too big to fail". This is quite simply capitalism for the poor and socialism for the rich.

Re: Joint statement by the Department of the Treasury, Federal Reserve, and FDIC

#904

We deserve to see more useful top comments on this matter. The top ones in this and the main announcement thread [1] are just ad hominem complaining against some ostensibly "salty" or "cognitively dissonant" majority. Let's talk about skin in the game and bailouts. Explain to a peasant why he should have to share the risk you took with your money. Explain to him this game being played where he gains nothing when you…

That’s inflation, the word you’re looking for right? It’s a form of tax that isn’t thought of as a tax through the act of printing more money. Or, some similar mechanism of that shape.

Re: Joint statement by the Department of the Treasury, Federal Reserve, and FDIC

#905

We deserve to see more useful top comments on this matter. The top ones in this and the main announcement thread [1] are just ad hominem complaining against some ostensibly "salty" or "cognitively dissonant" majority. Let's talk about skin in the game and bailouts. Explain to a peasant why he should have to share the risk you took with your money. Explain to him this game being played where he gains nothing when you…

Unsurprisingly, the top comment complaining about top comment quality is the worst of them all.

This is one of those cases where the most obvious and mundane answer happens to be correct. The government is attempting to nip an existential threat to the wider banking system in the bud. Everyone who uses said system (read: literally everyone) has an interest in seeing it survive.

Re: Joint statement by the Department of the Treasury, Federal Reserve, and FDIC

#906

I have never seen such cognitive dissonance here at HN -- which I feel is really saying something! As an SVB customer who had to wire payroll on Tuesday, our perspective is naturally sharpened, but I found the lack of empathy here over the weekend galling. On the one hand, this is understandable, and Silicon Valley has done much to earn collective distrust. On the other hand, this is emphatically not all of us: many…

The reason employees are anxious about their next pay checks is because of the VC-induced panic which is entirely self-serving and has not one iota to do with making payroll — that’s just a palatable hand-wavey justification for demanding government intervention because their precious points are at risk. I have a great deal of empathy for the workers anxious about being paid, but that goes without saying, there’s not…

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Re: Joint statement by the Department of the Treasury, Federal Reserve, and FDIC

#907
I think some folks are rightfully curious how the depositors are being fully protected here, given that FDIC only insures up to $250,000.

But really there should be no limit on FDIC insurance. Depositors should not be categorized as risk takers. Joe Schmoe should never have to concern himself with where he banks, or where his company payroll banks, for that matter. Telling depositors to take responsibility and disperse their funds across as many banks as possible is...silly. These aren't investors in bonds or stocks. These are cash accounts.

Yellen is 100% doing the correct thing here. And the precedent being set makes logical sense.

Re: Joint statement by the Department of the Treasury, Federal Reserve, and FDIC

#909

We deserve to see more useful top comments on this matter. The top ones in this and the main announcement thread [1] are just ad hominem complaining against some ostensibly "salty" or "cognitively dissonant" majority. Let's talk about skin in the game and bailouts. Explain to a peasant why he should have to share the risk you took with your money. Explain to him this game being played where he gains nothing when you…

Our society has created a complex set of rules and regulators to prevent bank runs. That system society created failed to detect a problem in one of the top 20 banks in our country. What other problems is it not detecting? The full backstop to the depositors is because this should have never happened - the system should have prevented it.

An organization with over $250,000 in cash is not an outlandish amount. Employers (obviously), but also municipalities, schools, churches and heck even grocery stores can exceed that limit. While it is reasonable to expect some individuals to have some sense and monitoring of the financial well being of the organizations they are directly affiliated with it is extremely unreasonable to believe that those same individuals are going to be aware of the balance sheet risks of the transitive banking partners of those organizations. People expect that money in the bank today will be there tomorrow.

Who wants to live in a world where everyone is keeping tabs on which organizations are banking where? It's a tremendous waste of time.

People don't want bank failures to be a thing, and if/when they do happen they want the damage limited to the senior leadership and investors of the bank.

If you were responsible for managing over 250,000$ of cash what is an acceptable Treasury operations strategy? Put it in a TBTF bank (still socializing losses). Split it into multiple banking partners - that creates operational risk in addition to extra complexity and overhead.

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