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Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices

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Post by johnnyanmac »

mlyle wrote: post #452
brundolf wrote: post #430

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There are different people on this website and they can have different opinions about things

And we can even have somewhat contradictory opinions about things. E.g. the option for remote work is really nice for many and may be required to be viable in the future... but are we losing some fundamental part of teamwork by leaving the office? And does it really just make us more expendable?

>but are we losing some fundamental part of teamwork by leaving the office?

In some ways yes. It is much harder to brainstorm through conference calls for example.

>And does it really just make us more expendable?

technically yes. It's very easy to be "forgotten" in a remote setting if your job is isolated out. They won't even have a face to place on someone when it comes to re-orgs.

Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices

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Post by johnnyanmac »

svachalek wrote: post #595
karaterobot wrote: post #523

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> Five years from now, I think we will not see "remote only" for a large company and think "ooh, they value their employees I guess", but rather, "uh oh, they like to think of their employees as being like virtual servers, easy to spin up and easy to shut down the moment you don't need to pay for that capacity". A lot of people probably believe this is how companies think of employees. I know that at every company I'…

Suppose you've got an average, B-grade engineer who has been doing this job for 3 years. They should have all the technical knowledge tuned to do this job, connections to all the right people they need to work with, and all kinds of institutional memory about why everything is the way it is. You let that person go, and bring in an objectively better, A-grade worker. It's going to take months to find that person, more…

Yup. Pension is dead and no company on the high up business ends sees the value in labor, even if the people who "survive" the layoffs feel the most heat. They'd rather have a revolving door of new people they give inflation raises to than offer to keep valuable talent and in-knowledge. Because if one person gets a 30% promotion I guess that means EVERYONE will get one, and that's not good for a coporation.

Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices

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Post by johnnyanmac »

Idk__Throwaway wrote: post #558
Ancalagon wrote: post #541

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This makes it easier for them to fire you and everyone else. Why, even as a contractor, would you be ok with that? Niceties or no you are weakening your own position and the value of you labor.

Why should a company be forced to continue to pay for employees they aren't in need of?

Because other countries have decided that "we need to make our quarterly earnings look good" isn't a good enough reason to can half your staff over. If you fire an employee at anytime it's just unpredictable (and inefficient) contract work.

Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices

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Post by johnnyanmac »

sokoloff wrote: post #718
Ancalagon wrote: post #541

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This makes it easier for them to fire you and everyone else. Why, even as a contractor, would you be ok with that? Niceties or no you are weakening your own position and the value of you labor.

I want to work for a company that’s financially strong (or at least profitable). If that means they sometimes fire people, that’s ok. I want my “don’t fire them” to be based on a premise that I’m creating much more value for them than I cost. That’s a stable situation for all parties, short and long term.

I guess you never worked for a company that got record earnings after laying off 10000 employees.

I don't want my company in the red, but I also don't want to feel like I'm dangling on a cliff. There's a reason most companies stopped doing stack rankings.

Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices

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Post by A4ET8a8uTh0 »

johnnyanmac wrote: post #898
A4ET8a8uTh0 wrote: post #664

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I am not sure why you would say that. I mean it is true, but I am not sure how it is relevant here. If one avenue is not there, ones that crave it badly enough will venture forth. If I don't go to work and WANT to engage with others so badly, I will. And besides, meaningful relations is a meaningless term. Example. My parent has neighbors. They have lived closely to one another. So closely and long, in fact, they had…

The big problem these days is age. My neighhbors seem fine but are in different stages in life. I more or less inherited this house but it's a house built for families to be raised. So all my neighbors are 40's+ taking care of at best very young teenage kids, and I'm a 20's tech dude. Not much clicks. >If one avenue is not there, ones that crave it badly enough will venture forth I guess all my 20's demograpic in tow…

This is what I have seen so far. The younger cousins in my extended family consciously opted to live in Chicago-Chicago specifically due to night life. I will admit that I never understood it ( and I moved to suburbs as soon as it became an option for me ). Naturally, all anecdotal, but I doubt people changed that much over 20 or so years.

Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices

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Post by Apreche »

msm_ wrote: post #827
Apreche wrote: post #104

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Nah, I'd just stop using it and go to something else.

Isn't vscode open-source? I'm using vscodium with all MS links removed, I don't think MS can charge licenses for that.

The really good features that make VSCode worth using (remote development) are not open source.

Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices

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Post by xpe »

nfw2 wrote: post #75
xpe wrote: post #50

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This metaphor doesn't work for me. Source code is not analogous to organizational behavior. Not to mention it gives readers confused context about the link, which is about GitLab layoffs.

It's not a metaphor...it's a joke

Step 1: throw some words from your keyboard into a comment box and claim it was humor. Step 2: downvote people that don't laugh. Step 3: someday realize that humor and metaphor are not mutually exclusive.
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