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Re: Kanye West is buying Parler

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_gabe_ wrote: post #673
klyrs wrote: post #513

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Dude's been blasting antisemitism on social media, in violation of long-standing, well-understood policies. Shutting down his accounts is the opposite of persecution.

> Dude's been blasting antisemitism on social media, in violation of long-standing, well-understood policies. Can you give specific examples? I just looked this up because I was interested. This very long winded Vice article only seems to point out a few "antisemitic" statements he makes[0]. Here's the first two: > Ye used a strange metaphor when talking about Black people judging one another, telling Carlson, “Think…

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Re: Kanye West is buying Parler

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Post by jklinger410 »

klyrs wrote: post #706
_gabe_ wrote: post #673

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> Dude's been blasting antisemitism on social media, in violation of long-standing, well-understood policies. Can you give specific examples? I just looked this up because I was interested. This very long winded Vice article only seems to point out a few "antisemitic" statements he makes[0]. Here's the first two: > Ye used a strange metaphor when talking about Black people judging one another, telling Carlson, “Think…

First off, his name is Ye, and I actually like his music (though, let's be honest, Donda was never gonna live up to the hype). This isn't about me not liking the guy. > Show me where Kanye is advocating for the annihilation of the Jews before you go citing baseless claims. Now, I didn't say he's been advocating for the annihilation of Jewish people, I said "blasting antisemitism." Antisemitism exists on a spectrum, a…

Thank you for being the first person to bring up the tweet that this is all in reference to.

HN sounding off about YE without knowing anything makes me question how I assume the authority of commenters here on other topics.

Re: Kanye West is buying Parler

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Post by tstrimple »

hunterb123 wrote: post #877
noahtallen wrote: post #868

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This is just a classic straw man, because people don’t typically believe that. Or a red herring, because that’s not really the point. No one here is suggesting that the Soviet Union has a good track record on pollution. People are suggesting that capitalism doesn’t. “Capitalism is the problem” does not imply that the Soviet Union is the solution. When people say “capitalism is the problem,” they’re often looking towa…

The US was the only country to decrease emissions over the decades while growing our energy output, all countries in the Paris Climate Accord failed to do so. We did it because of fracking nat. gas replacing coal due to innovation. Capitalism brings a lot of innovation including advancements in green energy too. Tesla was able to economically compete and take a huge segment away from the automobile giants through cap…

Since the first sentence is an outright fabrication, I don't hold much hope the rest is any better.

https://www.ecosystemmarketplace.com/articles/21-countries-r...

Re: Kanye West is buying Parler

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Post by tstrimple »

saila wrote: post #212
brutusborn wrote: post #28

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Why is that amusing? It makes sense that the "more free" platforms tend to attract people from the right because highly moderated platforms tend to censor right wing discussion more than left wing discussion. More extreme people are kicked off each platform successively until they end up places like 4chan. The opposite would be true if the mainstream advocated right wing politics, forcing left wing people onto the fr…

I've seen people on both the "left" and "right" claim that Twitter more heavily moderates "their side." Is there any way to know if either "side" is correct? I doubt Twitter classifies moderated content into political buckets as this would create massive liability, but has any neutral third party studied what kind of content is removed and classified it into "left" vs "right"? I'd like to see the system that could ac…

Actual studies all indicate conservative voices are amplified on social media including Twitter.

https://www.siliconrepublic.com/machines/twitter-algorithm-a...

Re: Kanye West is buying Parler

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Post by [deleted] »

Maursault wrote: post #899
bheadmaster wrote: post #892

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I'm abandoning this conversation because you seem unwilling to respond to the point of my post and bring any kind of argument to the table that isn't "fallacy!". Also, fallacy fallacy.

Ad hominem and invincible ignorance. Who says what never matters, it is what is said that is the province of valid argument. I have made no unsupported assertions regarding the truth values of fallacious responses to my initial argument, only identified these responses as specific fallacies to justify not responding. Thus, I have not made any appeal to fallacy, leaving the accusation(s) of such as straw man arguments…

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Post by tstrimple »

shepherdjerred wrote: post #854
balls187 wrote: post #802

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Turning a blind eye to how prevalent radical ideology permeates the conservative base is also not helpful. https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/meetthepressblog/poll... But you missed my point--by galvanizing the conservative base that is racist, homophobic, sexist, and anti-semetic, it leaves the rest of conservative party with an impossible choice--support a democratic candidate, or vote party line. That is how K…

How do you expect to have a discussion with a Republican if you hold them with such contempt? You realize that they represent roughly half of the country right? I didn’t really care about your point about Kanye, I can more about people sowing division.

Why do people always resort to argumentum ad populum when it comes to defending the insanity that the modern Republican party has come to represent. They can't be wrong or immoral, there's millions of them!

Re: Kanye West is buying Parler

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Post by rhelsing »

Maursault wrote: post #899
bheadmaster wrote: post #892

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I'm abandoning this conversation because you seem unwilling to respond to the point of my post and bring any kind of argument to the table that isn't "fallacy!". Also, fallacy fallacy.

Ad hominem and invincible ignorance. Who says what never matters, it is what is said that is the province of valid argument. I have made no unsupported assertions regarding the truth values of fallacious responses to my initial argument, only identified these responses as specific fallacies to justify not responding. Thus, I have not made any appeal to fallacy, leaving the accusation(s) of such as straw man arguments…

I agree with you. There was no attempt to engage the material of your original post. It was classified as psycho-babble from the outset and thus engaging it seriously would nullify that classification.

Re: Kanye West is buying Parler

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Post by hackerlight »

logicalmonster wrote: post #390

How could an average outside observer distinguish between another's mental illness and a guy who's just a real out of the box thinker who might be wrong about many ideas but might also add value to the world by perceiving reality in an atypical way? A lot of posters are claiming Kanye is mentally ill and unable to manage his own affairs. What is the direct evidence of this? And I don't simply mean "provide examples o…

I'm seeing the mental illness label used to defend him more than stigmatize him. The tone is "he's not really responsible for the antisemitism, he just can't help it."

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Post by seanw444 »

asdff wrote: post #510
seanw444 wrote: post #316

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Then it's not free speech. The whole point is that there are not restrictions. If it's restricted, it is by definition not free. "Free speech" is a cool buzzword people think they can qualify for (or wish to), without the ramifications of true free speech (hurt feelings, bad ideologies being discussed in a positive light).

There are two definitions of free speech going around the internet discussion boards these days it seems. One is the legal one that has existed in our country since it was penned in the constitution, which protects you from government opression from publicly held opinions. That doesn't mean you can say whatever and expect no recourse from anyone, you have no protections from being kicked out of a private place or fir…

I'm not advocating for getting the government involved in forcing Twitter to allow all speech. I'm saying people need to stop continuing to use platforms that actively and publicly censor things on a daily basis, as if it's okay and normal now.

Fighting corporate-enacted censorship with government intervention is fighting fire with fire.

Re: Kanye West is buying Parler

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Post by [deleted] »

nailer wrote: post #872
renewiltord wrote: post #151

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Elon Musk, for instance, claims to be a free speech absolutist. However, in practice, he attempts to suppress speech that is expressed through bots that advertise crypto currency in replies to him.

Wanting to stop fraud isn’t the same thing as wanting to stop political speech you don’t like.

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