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Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by ImPostingOnHN » Sat, Feb 05, 2022, 7:41 PM UTC

ComradePhil wrote: post #607

hnarn wrote: post #466

I don't really understand why anyone who claims to be a proponent of a free market economy has an issue with a private corporation deciding what type of content they want to broadcast. JR sold his catalog of intellectual property (podcast episodes) of his own free will and was paid very well for it: about $100M from what I can gather. What Spotify chooses to do with it is completely up to them, even if they bought it…

>I don't really understand why anyone who claims to be a proponent of a free market economy has an issue with a private corporation deciding what type of content they want to broadcast. What I don't understand is how this idea comes up every time something like this is discussed. I'm assuming that this does not receive convincing counter-arguments which is why I will attempt to do so here. Almost everyone who believe…

> What I don't understand is how this idea comes up every time something like this is discussed. I'm assuming that this does not receive convincing counter-arguments which is why I will attempt to do so here.

I believe it's because there has not been a consistently applied general principle of free markets articulated, which the removal of episodes here violates.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by RedBeetDeadpool » Sat, Feb 05, 2022, 7:42 PM UTC

RedBeetDeadpool wrote: post #822

snotrockets wrote: post #293

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No, this is not how you do “open research”. He’s a shock jock ffs. A good one, maybe, but not Woodward or Bernstein.

> He’s a shock jock ffs. That's quite a shocking low effort attack that means absolutely nothing. Why should anyone believe your claims.

Go ahead, Downvote me without providing an explanation. What does that even prove except that you have no grounds for your statement and are cowards afraid to even debate anonymously?

I could care less about losing internet points - but you should look at yourself in the mirror and see what it represents about who you are.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by ninkendo » Sat, Feb 05, 2022, 8:00 PM UTC

roamerz wrote: post #863

hagy wrote: post #806

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I agree that Spotify has the legal right to stop distributing any content they find objectionable. Anyone arguing that Spotify’s action is a first amendment violation is simply wrong. A private entity, like Spotify, can decide what content to distribute at their own discretion. I don’t think many people are making this argument. Instead, I think many of us are arguing that Spotify shouldn’t exercise that option just…

>chiefly culturally conservative prude The difference in me (chiefly culturally conservative prude) and the liberal cancel culture is that I won’t try to silence someone’s choices based on my values. You may listen to whatever you want and I hope you get enjoyment out of it. I support your freedoms and a lot of good men have died to protect them.

The difference between you and the “cancel culture” is that you are a real person who exists, and “cancel culture” is an emergent phenomenon that happens on social media. People complaining about cancel culture is like people complaining about traffic jams. There’s no nefarious person in charge who’s trying to “cancel” things, it’s just lots and lots and lots of people and a tendency to overreact to stuff.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by waffle_maniac » Sat, Feb 05, 2022, 8:05 PM UTC

notapenny wrote: post #622

waffle_maniac wrote: post #232

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He has fringe people on his show to drive engagement. Fauci is not going to pay the bills.

Might I ask what "fringe people" are? I've watched his podcast and he certainly has a whole spectrum of people on. He may have his opinions and biases, but a person is allowed that right? Who are these fringe people, people who have different opinions from you? From the main stream media?

People like Jordan Peterson that deny climate change exists because of "variables." Most of these people are discredited hacks (i.e. Malone).

Sure, get the brightest minds that are contrarian on the program. Malone and Peterson aren't it. Get Richard Ebright on the program.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by vanilla_nut » Sat, Feb 05, 2022, 8:24 PM UTC

newaccount74 wrote: post #636

mrobins wrote: post #178

One of the ironic things here is that it’s pitted Spotify’s brand as a music company against their brand as a podcast company. For people originally drawn to Spotify as a music service the departure of even a few icons all of a sudden makes Apple Music very attractive.

I think Spotify is getting onto thin ice. I subscribed to Spotify because I want to stream music, and I like that the bands I listen to get a bit of money. But when I hear that they are paying $100M to some controversial US podcaster (before Neil Young left Spotify I have never heard of Joe Rogan), I'm thinking, this isn't what I signed up for. I want my money to go towards German indie bands, not rich American celeb…

I signed up for the music, or more specifically, the algorithmic recommendations.

With Spotify allowing commercial interests to influence recommendations (artists can choose to take a drop in royalty income to prioritize their music in recommendations) and pushing podcasts in my face all the time when I open the app, to the detriment of recommendations... I've decided to run my own Jellyfin server instead.

Like you, this isn't what I signed up for. It's sad that I can't just pay a monthly fee for a good music app -- even Apple Music, Tidal, Deezer, etc. are all crappy music apps.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by vanilla_nut » Sat, Feb 05, 2022, 8:36 PM UTC

TOMDM wrote: post #201

afavour wrote: post #188

I’m struggling to have sympathy with anyone involved in this. Podcasting has always felt like a resurgence of the “original web” spirit to me: anyone can upload, anywhere. All you need is an RSS feed and anyone can subscribe. Then Spotify came busting in and decided that the open podcasting platform is obsolete and paid Joe Rogan $100 million for exclusive distribution of his content. So they’ve dug their own grave h…

I know it's a lost battle because anyone whose not a nerd will never care, but I wish we could all just call content that moves to a centralised platform like Spotify an internet talkshow or whatever and leave the word podcast to the people distributing MP3s via RSS.

I prefer to call them Spodcasts.

If you're exclusive to spotify, you're not really a podcast. You're a spodcast.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by vanilla_nut » Sat, Feb 05, 2022, 8:42 PM UTC

jjice wrote: post #885

My opinion isn't even based on all the JRE stuff with Spotify recently, I just don't like Spotify anymore. I use it every day, but only because it's the best I have. The UI changes at least a bit every single quarter, and if I have a weak connection, but my songs are downloaded, I still can't access them. I have to disconnect from any network and then I can access my *downloaded* music. It's slow on my cheap, but rec…

I recently switched to Jellyfin, self-hosted on a raspberry pi. I already had a pretty large music collection and I'm building more and more out with Bandcamp purchases.

I managed my own library for a decade+ before I got Spotify. I realized, like you, that the app, recommendations, etc. weren't worth it any more this year. So I switched back to managing my own library. It's a bit of work to set everything up, but it's honestly fun to consciously think of my library again. Give it a try -- happy to share details about my own setup if you're on the fence.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by Supermancho » Sat, Feb 05, 2022, 8:45 PM UTC

smus wrote: post #777

Hermel wrote: post #609

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Of course they are free to do what they want. But if they do something unethical, like removing content for political reasons, I'm also free to criticize them and for example demand a refund if they lured me into a subscription by claiming I would be able to listen to Joe Rogan. Also, you are making wild assumptions about the contract between Joe Rogan and Spotify. Maybe there's a clause in there that they will not o…

It's unethical to publish content that promotes white supremacists, even indirectly. Don't see how it's unethical to censor it though

> It's unethical to publish content that promotes white supremacists

I dont understand how you can come to that conclusion. eg A doctor saving the life of a white supremacist.

Ethics are differentiated by profession. It is not altigether clear, which ethical considerations Spotify is bound by and apply to this situation.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by Dwelve » Sat, Feb 05, 2022, 8:52 PM UTC

hnarn wrote: post #466

I don't really understand why anyone who claims to be a proponent of a free market economy has an issue with a private corporation deciding what type of content they want to broadcast. JR sold his catalog of intellectual property (podcast episodes) of his own free will and was paid very well for it: about $100M from what I can gather. What Spotify chooses to do with it is completely up to them, even if they bought it…

Ugh... what's worse than the actual censorship are people like you that pretend to not understand the issue, at all.

First of all, WHO ARE YOU ARGUING WITH?!? - "proponent of a free market"? Who are you talking to? Critics of these reactions are not these people, so why on earth are you pretending you want to have a discussion when you deliberately choose to argue with people that have no objection to them? You're talking to an audience of three people, yet everybody that's on your side, the side of censorship will pretend you're refuting the opposing perspective. No, you just picked a tiny group that already agrees with you, pretend it doesn't, and then explain why they actually agree with you.

Ok, so it seems like you're fine with it, because Spotify is a "private corporation", aren't you? Is Spotify free to ban all black artists then? They are a private company after all. Or is that different for reason x / y / z. Fine, let's be a little more theoretical than. Youtube, Spotify and Twitter decide to ban ALL opinions that go against invading Venezuala. Is that something you will support? Private company banning an opinion which they disagree with, all fine and dandy, correct?

Top comment, most upvotes and everyone joins in on this farce... wtf is going on here?

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by sprkwd » Sat, Feb 05, 2022, 8:55 PM UTC

bhaak wrote: post #439

> CEO Daniel Ek has defended the inclusion of Rogan on the company's roster and told a company town hall that the podcast was vital to Spotify's success. > "If we want even a shot at achieving our bold ambitions, it will mean having content on Spotify that many of us may not be proud to be associated with," Ek said during the town hall. "Not anything goes, but there will be opinions, ideas and beliefs that we disagre…

If one person's podcast is vital to Spotify's success then you're gonna need a better business model.