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Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by grogenaut »

OJFord wrote: post #885
ddoolin wrote: post #752

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On the surface, this seems like FUD or at least exaggerated. Anecdotally, Americans across the spectrum are at least weary of China if not openly hostile. China does have a lot of corporate influence at the upper levels and corporations do pull many of the levers of government here, but on an individual level, I don't think it's that's dramatic. Although this topic has been sensationalized a lot, personally I don't t…

> at least weary of China if not openly hostile Given the latter half, I think that's *wary (cautious) rather than 'weary' (fatigued, fed up)? I'm not American, but something I've noticed on YouTube is that 'import' is a euphemism for 'Chinese crap' - probably more prevalent because there's more of a US manufacturing base to begin with, but the funny thing is when it's imported from somewhere else that's respected it…

Watch back to the future. Doc brown from the 50s "no wonder it broke it's all from Japan". Marty from 85 says "what do you mean all the best stuff comes from Japan".

I remember when Vizio made garbage tvs. This is more of a delayed and earned reputation thing. Also product market fit.

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Post by BrazzVuvuzela »

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I feel compelled to clarify this: Hong Kong is part of China, and has been since 1997. Saying that Hong Kong is not part of China is like saying that Texas is not part of the United States because at one point they seceded. These days, Texas has no more right to secede from the US than Hong Kong from China, even if there are people in both territories who would prefer full independence. Consequently, to a Chinese per…

People say "I'm from Texas, not the US" all the time and no one cares.

The way Texans talk of being independent is actually kind of endearing I think. I think being offended or threatened by such talk would require an incredible feeling of insecurity.

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Post by BrazzVuvuzela »

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Only those who follow through with it.

.. so their parents don't get 'dissapeared'

A coerced agent is still an agent. But my point is that those who don't participate in such activities, despite the demands of the CCP, are not agents of the CCP.

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Post by CamperBob2 »

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While flawed in practice, I think the so-called "domino theory" had some valid roots in the so-called Paradox of Tolerance. It's hard to dispute one historical aspect of communism in particular, namely that it cannot tolerate competing ideologies. The only way to implement communism is through the use of force; it's not something free people will adopt voluntarily. I may think of myself as a tolerant person, but if y…

Nice abuse of Popper’s phrase. Of course you have just hoisted yourself on your own petard: it’s hard to dispute that American capitalism cannot tolerate competing ideologies, evidenced by (e.g.) The Vietnam War and Korean War . But now I am just repeating my original comment. You also have another glaring problem to address: it is very easy and simple to tolerate the kind of socialism/communism where an independent…

Comparisons to capitalism as an abstract ideology notwithstanding, you do have to use violence to keep people from voluntarily buying from and selling to each other.

There is a reason why the Communist Party of the USA is a thing and the Capitalist Party of the PRC is not. They are willing to use violence within their own borders to suppress competing ideologies in the absence of tangible criminal offenses, while we generally are not.

And then there's the simple question of whether more people die trying to sneak into your country or out of it. Moral relativists run into serious trouble with that one.

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Post by maeil »

trhway wrote: post #838
ddoolin wrote: post #752

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On the surface, this seems like FUD or at least exaggerated. Anecdotally, Americans across the spectrum are at least weary of China if not openly hostile. China does have a lot of corporate influence at the upper levels and corporations do pull many of the levers of government here, but on an individual level, I don't think it's that's dramatic. Although this topic has been sensationalized a lot, personally I don't t…

> Anecdotally, Americans across the spectrum are at least weary of China if not openly hostile. I don't think so. Just look at what Americans buy. Money talks. Lip service doesn't count. >on an individual level, I don't think it's that's dramatic. the frog just doesn't notice the boiling. For example how discussing Chinese origin of covid got branded as racist in the public mentality - i think that branding is a grea…

It is worse than that. We are in a pandemic that has already caused millions of deaths, billions of hours of manpower spent, trillions of dollars wasted and an immeasureable amount of mental anguish. It's negative effects can be said to be worse than many a war by any significant measure you can find.

Yet even just bringing up the leading consensus in science as to the origins of Covid and its transmission to humans is all but taboo in "educated" circles. Same goes for discussing the role the WHO played and all evidence we have as to why it played that role. Any discussion of why this pandemic happened and that the nation where it originated has blocked all independent investigation to investigate this; bringing it up is not done.

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Post by Turing_Machine »

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Okay, I'll bite. Why is Alaska "insulting"? Note: I live there, and it's awesome. Ohio is also a perfectly fine place to live.

Surely you understand that your preferences are not widely shared - that's probably part of why you like living there in the first place, no? If you wanted to persuade a group of people to immigrate to the US, you'd mention Ohio and the Mojave desert first? Those are not "premier" locations regardless of how you or I feel about them personally.

> Surely you understand that your preferences are not widely shared

"Not a widely shared preference" and "insult" are two different things, entirely.

"Anchorage has the most ethnically diverse schools in the United States, including the three most diverse high schools, the three most diverse middle schools, and the 19 most diverse elementary schools. Even the least diverse schools in Anchorage rank in the top 1% nationally."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anchorage,_Alaska#Education

As for Ohio, over 11 million people like it well enough to live there. Again, it's not an "insult" to suggest that someone else might like it. Especially if their alternative is PRC.

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Post by steve76 »

lou1306 wrote: post #759
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Well said: "In my world there's always a place for you; you can disagree with me; you can even insult me; I will not fire back because that is your freedom of expression, however In your world there's no place for me; you want to eliminate me and even my family from the world just because I disagree with your government or your ideology; this is puzzling isn't it?"

This reminds me of a bit of trivia from Italian politics. A few years after WWII, a senator from the main post-Fascist party greeted a fellow senator from the Socialist party (who had fought for the Resistance), saying: "We fought gallantly on opposite sides, now we can shake hands". The other replied: "Yeah, then we won so you could become a senator. If you had won, I'd still be a prisoner".

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Post by lelandfe »

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Does that mean freedom is self-defeating? It comes down to a simple formula: are people learning and appreciating freedom faster than it's being diluted by people who are ignorant or disdainful of freedom? There's no fundamental reason one rate must remain above the other. Education, immigration trends, business, and culture all play a part. But once the anti-freedom are greater in number than the pro-freedom, then f…

Yes, it is. We all like to believe in ideals like turn the other cheek, take the high road, welcome opposing views no matter how extreme etc. Looking back through human history though, the only way to combat intolerance has been to be intolerant yourself. Freedoms need to be defended, sometimes with blood. Look at WW2 for example. Appeasement didn't go very far, direct action did.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

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Post by gscott »

nneonneo wrote: post #877
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Texas does not have a special one country, two systems status and Hong Kong does until 2047. The fact that the communist party completely ignores this fact does not make it go away. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_country,_two_systems

Yes, thanks for the clarification. I was trying to make my comment specifically about secession - debunking the notion that Hong Kong is not part of China. The HK Basic Law, the same document that guarantees the "One country, two systems" approach, starts with the sentence "The Hong Kong Special Administrative Region is an inalienable part of the People's Republic of China." I agree that the mainland government acted…

While those in Hong Kong still enjoy more freedoms then China mainland... locking people up for only holding up signs and chanting (not excusing those who were violent)... has scared off Taiwan. No one wants to vote for the "Patriots" and now those in HK live their lives to try not to go to jail.

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Post by 8bitsrule »

"Throughout history and regardless of color, culture and creed, the ruling classes have applied more or less the same techniques to control the people. Besides the application of brute force or the mere threat of it, we are manipulated by a plethora of psychological methods that have been refined throughout the ages. Sophisticated technological tools and toys work wonders in manipulating our thoughts, beliefs, and behavior."

⇐ Arne Klingenberg

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