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Re: Apple M1 Max Geekbench Score

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Post by thenthenthen »

vineyardmike wrote: post #462
thenthenthen wrote: post #293

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Well if you actually do ‘work’ with the device, like installing software thats not in the appstore you might run into some troubles...i love my 2013 macbook air for most daily tasks, but never was there a time where i couldnt do with having a windows and linux device on hand. But yeah, thats just life. Happy to see sobering comment here that the m1 is a ‘mobile’ processor, my 12 year old pc agrees. Another question t…

> Well if you actually do ‘work’ with the device, LOTS of people "actually do ‘work’" with their macs. Without trouble. > i love my 2013 macbook air for most daily tasks, but never was there a time where i couldnt do with having a windows and linux device on hand Are those devices also 8 year old low-mobile-tier hardware optimized for battery use and low thermals? I've never needed a windows or linux computer on hand…

I mostly work with obsolete industrial devices. Having obsolete devices around is handy to deal with them, sadly this also means keep ‘supporting’ their obsolescence in a way. The other half of my job and hobby consists of making those obsolete devices running on less obsolete devices but again requires sniffing out obsolete devices, they controllers or the support hard and software again. I agree thats work done by most people, again sadly

Re: Apple M1 Max Geekbench Score

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Post by johnboiles »

bombcar wrote: post #509
runako wrote: post #330

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I looked into this angle recently. The SSDs in the new MBPs are roughly 3x as fast as the one in my 2015 MBP (7.4GB/s vs 2GB/s). To contextualize, the new MBPs have roughly half as much SSD bandwidth as my MBP does memory bandwidth. Which is to say the SSD is much closer to being as fast as RAM, which would explain why is subjectively can make better use of less memory.

It’s also possible that they’re using more and better tricks from iOS to handle memory - in which case the Intel Macs might show similar results if given similar speed disks

What kind of tricks?

Re: Apple M1 Max Geekbench Score

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Post by runeks »

hajile wrote: post #288
klelatti wrote: post #207

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Maybe a little surprised - presumably the thermal limitations on a 16 inch laptop are potentially less limiting than on a 13 inch one so that single core could be pushed to a higher frequency?

M1 uses TSMC high-density rather than high-performance. They get 40-60% better transistor density and less leakage (power consumption) at the expense of lower clockspeeds. Also, a core is not necessarily just limited by power. There are often other considerations like pipeline length that affect final target clocks. The fact is that at 3.2GHz, the M1 is very close to a 5800X in single-core performance. When that 5800…

> We know this because you can keep the 8 core M1 at max clocks for TEN MINUTES on passive cooling in the Macbook air (you can keep max clocks indefinitely if you apply a little thermal pad on the inside of the case).

Is there a guide on how to apply this thermal pad?

I would love for my Air to not downclock.

Also why on earth does this thermal pad not come factory installed?

Re: Apple M1 Max Geekbench Score

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Post by qubitcoder »

runeks wrote: post #903
hajile wrote: post #288

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M1 uses TSMC high-density rather than high-performance. They get 40-60% better transistor density and less leakage (power consumption) at the expense of lower clockspeeds. Also, a core is not necessarily just limited by power. There are often other considerations like pipeline length that affect final target clocks. The fact is that at 3.2GHz, the M1 is very close to a 5800X in single-core performance. When that 5800…

> We know this because you can keep the 8 core M1 at max clocks for TEN MINUTES on passive cooling in the Macbook air (you can keep max clocks indefinitely if you apply a little thermal pad on the inside of the case). Is there a guide on how to apply this thermal pad? I would love for my Air to not downclock. Also why on earth does this thermal pad not come factory installed?

That’s why the MacBook Pro M1 has fans. It’s designed for harder workloads where you’re maxing out the cores (multi-core compilation, video encoding, etc) for extended periods. This was well-documented and discussed previously. The tradeoff is increased heat, power consumption, and fan noise.

Realistically, those aren’t typical workloads for most people, especially for 10+ minutes (and especially on an ultralight and portable laptop). So I wouldn’t lose sleep over thermal pads.

Re: Apple M1 Max Geekbench Score

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Post by jsjohnst »

true_religion wrote: post #801
jsjohnst wrote: post #759

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Trade-in value on electronics is way lower than resale value. I’ve sold a couple 2014/2015 MacBook Pros this year for $700+ and probably could’ve gotten more had I held out.

Was that via ebay? I really want to sell my devices. Since work-from-home became a norm, I'm struggling to find actual reasons to use a laptop.

No, it was to coworkers. Going on eBay completed auctions, I could’ve gotten around $800-1k for similar spec / condition machines.

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Post by vijucat »

ubermonkey wrote: post #890
vijucat wrote: post #844

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Yes, the File/Edit/View menu bar that has to be at the top.

I have never even heard of someone wanting this, let alone doing it. Are you saying you do this in Windows programs?

This very discussion shows that two people can have differing opinions and thus, the choice should be left to the user. That is my main point.

Now, on a completely different note : a little bit more about the Vertical layout. Here are two articles with screenshots. It's awesome and now I can't go back to Horizontal taskbar ever.

https://www.groovypost.com/howto/howto/vertical-vs-horizonta...

https://adamhollett.com/posts/2014/02/move-your-taskbar-to-t...

Re: Apple M1 Max Geekbench Score

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Post by krzyk »

dmitriid wrote: post #736
krzyk wrote: post #733

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> If you still have passion and time for this - cool, most people don't want to spend their days on this. Just adding another counterpoint to "MacOs is awsome", anecdotal one, because we don't have any other. My wife (she is not a hacker, just a computer science teacher) hates macos, she preferred Linux. She used the system I setup for her, and I left it alone. She loved it. MacOS is created for average Joe that just…

> Example: Finder, that thingy can't show you full paths It can > If you try to get to your home directory to get some files you have to jump hoops. You don't > Sorry, that poor choice of basic utilities (some time ago bash there was ages old), that everyone has to use brew to get anything useful there. Ah yes, unlike the great linux where everyone is using apt-get/yum to install anything useful Disclaimer: have used…

> Ah yes, unlike the great linux where everyone is using apt-get/yum to install anything useful

I wouldn't complain if macos had those utils built into os package manager/appstore, but it does not, one needs to install custom package manager.

It is like I would need to install yum on Debian to get apps.

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Post by ubermonkey »

vijucat wrote: post #906
ubermonkey wrote: post #890

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I have never even heard of someone wanting this, let alone doing it. Are you saying you do this in Windows programs?

This very discussion shows that two people can have differing opinions and thus, the choice should be left to the user. That is my main point. Now, on a completely different note : a little bit more about the Vertical layout. Here are two articles with screenshots. It's awesome and now I can't go back to Horizontal taskbar ever. https://www.groovypost.com/howto/howto/vertical-vs-horizonta... https://adamhollett.com/p…

Those articles are about the Windows Taskbar, not the menu I was talking about. This is what I was trying to clarify in my earlier question, when I asked "Do you mean the File/Edit/View menu bar, or the Dock?"

You insisted at the time that you meant the MENU bar, not the Dock, but now it appears that was incorrect.

This got a little long, but the tl;dr here is that you are confused on terms, and that the thing you say can't be moved on the Mac absolutely can be, and always could be.

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One of the ways in which Win and MacOS are different is that, in MacOS, the File/Edit/View menu is always across the top of the screen, not bound to a specific window. I'm typing this in Firefox. I have several Firefox windows open, but NONE of them have a File menu. The menus for Firefox are across the top of my monitor.

In Windows, by contast, this menu is part of each window spawned by a given application. Most modern Windows programs use the Ribbon style menu, but some older or less-updated tools (e.g., SQL Server Management Studio) use the old-style. If I were doing this post on Firefox on Windows, each of my Firefox windows would have its own File/Edit/View menu.

In both Mac and Windows, this menu is always in this known position -- ie, on a Mac, it's across the top of the screen; on Windows, it's part of the top of each app window. It cannot be moved (to the best of my knowledge).

What YOU are talking about (and what those articles are talking about) is called the Taskbar in Windows. The analogous item in MacOS is the Dock. In both systems, the default location is the bottom of the screen, and in both systems it is possible to change this.

-> In Windows, the Taskbar can be placed on the bottom (default), either side, or across the top of the screen.

-> In MacOS, the Dock can be placed on either side or the bottom; you can't put it on the top of the screen because it would interfere with the aforementioned File/Edit/View menu.

--> In NEITHER OS is it possible to reposition the File/Edit/View menu.

Re: Apple M1 Max Geekbench Score

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Post by cush »

EvgeniyZh wrote: post #875
cush wrote: post #864

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> typewriter Now that you mention, I remember my grandfather used to sit us around the fire and regale us with stories of how he used to edit 60fps 8k video on his old typewriter. I pulled it out of the attic just now and ran geekbench, and you're right, my new MBP is basically the same. Thanks bud for bringing so much insight to this conversation!

I assume your grandfather wasn't able understand metaphors either?

Or sarcasm

Re: Apple M1 Max Geekbench Score

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Post by cormacrelf »

cormacrelf wrote: post #504
ben-schaaf wrote: post #482

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As people stated in the announcement post, a high memory bandwidth doesn't really benefit CPUs much. That's also why AMD and Intel don't have high memory bandwidth on their cores, because it doesn't really help performance. Where it is beneficial is the GPU; for comparison AMD and Nvidia cards often exceed 400GB/s. A desktop RTX 3090 has 900GB/s.

I don’t think you could even top 150GB/s sustained if you ran memcpy on all ten threads at once. (Though that would be 300 total.)

This turned out to be correct, look at https://www.anandtech.com/show/17024/apple-m1-max-performanc... -- the "sustained" measurement is on the right hand side of the graph. It hits 243GB/s bandwidth with 8+2 threads, 224 with just the 8 performance cores.
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