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Women are nearly half of new gun buyers, study finds

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Re: Women are nearly half of new gun buyers, study finds

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Post by ahtihn »

mmmpop wrote: post #787
ahtihn wrote: post #442

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Swiss gun culture has nothing to do with American gun culture. Guns are for hunting and sport that's it. Essentially no one even thinks of getting a gun for self defence. There also has never been an idea that guns are for defending yourself against your own government here.

> Guns are for hunting and sport that's it. I'm not sure your source but you should double-check it; it's entirely incorrect. > There also has never been an idea that guns are for defending yourself against your own government here. Says who? Are you Swiss?

I am Swiss yes and have done military service.

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Post by DemocracyFTW »

A Country where people are haters of people will die.

A country where people are looking for excuses to own people killers (aka 'pacifiers') will die.

I have not read any of the apologies in this thread, I refuse to do so, and I stand by my word, guns are bad.

You have a good day.

Re: Women are nearly half of new gun buyers, study finds

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Post by ahtihn »

beerandt wrote: post #671
ahtihn wrote: post #442

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Swiss gun culture has nothing to do with American gun culture. Guns are for hunting and sport that's it. Essentially no one even thinks of getting a gun for self defence. There also has never been an idea that guns are for defending yourself against your own government here.

Yet every swiss male citizen does military training and is issued a weapon to keep, to use in staying proficient. There's no need for a military culture, when the government has already mandated it for you. Not that it isn't popular: >On September 22, 2013, a referendum that aimed to abolish conscription was held in Switzerland. However, the referendum failed with over 73% of the electorate voting against it, showing…

Military service isn't popular at all, but the majority of people do agree that it's necessary to have a military and they don't want a professional army. So that leaves the current system.

Re: Women are nearly half of new gun buyers, study finds

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Post by [deleted] »

asquabventured wrote: post #853
throwaway09223 wrote: post #790

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" if Brazil and Mexico are our points of comparison" Almost half of all US homicides are drug/gang related, so obviously there will be links to south american countries where these enterprises also operate. If you want to avoid high crime, move north. Northern states have a homicide rate roughly half the national average.

You ever heard of Chicago? Up to the minute crime statistics in this northern state city with some of the most restrictive gun control can easily be found. [1.] [1.] https://heyjackass.com

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Re: Women are nearly half of new gun buyers, study finds

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Post by abrokenpipe »

lmm wrote: post #881
abrokenpipe wrote: post #757

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I don't think it's bad in general considering the size of the country and especially considering the fact that we have hundreds of millions of civilian owned guns (23 million sold last year, and even more sold this year already). When you compare guns to other stuff like drunk driving it shows how blown out of proportion the problem is. - CDC stats (2018) - US Firearm Homicides: 14,414 US deaths caused by drunk drive…

Erm, what? Firearms causing more deaths than drunk drivers seems like a very strong argument for tighter gun regulation to me.

Then why isn't there any serious discussion about tighter alcohol regulation then? The CDC says that alcohol abuse in the US results in ~95,000 deaths per year, combined with drunk driving thats over 100k deaths, thats significantly higher than all gun deaths. On top of that it's difficult to argue there is any utility to it at all beyond recreational use. Where are the cries to ban alcohol?? Wouldn't it be worth banning it even if it saved just one life???

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Post by abrokenpipe »

Seattle3503 wrote: post #866
abrokenpipe wrote: post #757

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I don't think it's bad in general considering the size of the country and especially considering the fact that we have hundreds of millions of civilian owned guns (23 million sold last year, and even more sold this year already). When you compare guns to other stuff like drunk driving it shows how blown out of proportion the problem is. - CDC stats (2018) - US Firearm Homicides: 14,414 US deaths caused by drunk drive…

There are more guns in the US than cars as well, so deaths per car vs deaths per gun is higher.

True, although it's really the driver at fault, and the next logical thing to blame would be the alcohol. The connection between drugs/alcohol and gun violence gets completely overlooked though so why not blame the cars.

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Post by abrokenpipe »

frosted-flakes wrote: post #843
abrokenpipe wrote: post #757

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I don't think it's bad in general considering the size of the country and especially considering the fact that we have hundreds of millions of civilian owned guns (23 million sold last year, and even more sold this year already). When you compare guns to other stuff like drunk driving it shows how blown out of proportion the problem is. - CDC stats (2018) - US Firearm Homicides: 14,414 US deaths caused by drunk drive…

I would expect drunk-driving deaths to far exceed firearm homicides, and it's honestly shocking that firearm homicides are that high. I think the stats show that it's not blown out of propertion.

Why would you expect that when drunk driving gets practically no attention at all? It's even socially acceptable and joked about within certain cultural circles.

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

zepto wrote: post #884
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #870

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Ya, that just makes the USA’s high homicide rate even more embarrassing.

Why? Money doesn’t magically solve all cultural problems.

Obviously, America is a case in point.

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Post by simonh »

lr4444lr wrote: post #590
simonh wrote: post #447

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I do not at all accept that guns empower the weak. We can see all over the world they are a massive force multiplier for criminals, the violent and the murderous. Guns are only potent in the hands of those willing and able to use violence. For those unwilling to do so, they are massively disenfranchising. They essentially tilt the balance of power in society decisively in favour of those most willing to kill, and mos…

Reading what you say, one would conclude that countries with restrictive gun laws do not oppress minority groups in any way, nor have they ever.

I don’t think gun laws make any significant difference to whether that’s likely to happen or not. Having the official recognised right to bear arms hasn’t done any oppressed minority groups in the US or anywhere else I can think of much good.

Re: Women are nearly half of new gun buyers, study finds

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Post by lmm »

KorematsuFredt wrote: post #421
Maarten88 wrote: post #340

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> In my experience USA lot less corrupt than most other countries. Lobbying overall is a net good thing for a democratic society. You rightly mention lobbying and corruption together. But somehow you miss that they are on the same continuum. From my EU perspective lobbying in the US is corruption, as the lobbying comes with money and paid-for political promotion. The situation around guns itself is a clear example: a…

> From my EU perspective lobbying in the US is corruption, as the lobbying comes with money and paid-for political promotion. People with money and influence will always try to impact law. In EU it happens through actual bribes which is far worse. (Pretty much like India). In USA an immigrant like me can join hands with 10K immigrants and find enough support in congress openly by hiring lobbiest to advocate for the c…

> In EU it happens through actual bribes which is far worse. (Pretty much like India).

What on earth are you talking about?

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