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China has forbidden under-18s from playing games for more than three hours/week

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Re: China has forbidden under-18s from playing games for more than three hours/week

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This comment thread is a really interesting instance of a social phenomenon that happens in forums. The overwhelming majority of comments here are both: 1. Partially or fully supportive of this policy. 2. Downvoted to grey. There seem to be two ways people are engaging with this topic: 1. Writing a nuanced comment about how this is probably good for children or well meaning (to be downvoted by most readers). 2. Upvot…

That's not how the thread turned out in general. It's a good idea to wait and see how things develop. The earliest comments usually are not representative of community opinion.

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Comments like this will eventually go away...sorry for the annoyance.

Re: China has forbidden under-18s from playing games for more than three hours/week

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I don't want to start a us-vs-commies flame war but I'm finding it ironic that not a week ago someone was trying to tell me that american democracy is more of a plutocracy... Something that people don't seem to realize about China is that CCP values are supported by a majority of Chinese people. > What other word would you use to describe the Chinese government? I strongly suggest getting out of your comfort zone and…

...is it possible for it to not be unified? I.e. are opposition groups free to run for office and oppose the CCP in china? If not wouldn't describing it as unified be a bit ironic at best, and disingenuous (but still ironic, for a different reason) at worse? Is it possible to get honest opinions online of the CCP? I.e. if someone thinks Xi is the worst leader to ever hold office in China, would they be free to say so…

You're arguing from the ideology that arbitrary freedom is good, whereas China operates under a "do what's good for you" sort of ideology.

If we think about those two ideologies, one could flip your "is it possible for it to not be unified" to "is it possible for it to not have freedom" to illustrate the inherent ideological bias in the question. It may seem like an attempt at being inflammatory, but consider that for vaccines, for example, many people actually believe that we shouldn't get to decide against medical recommendation.

I posit that neither ideology is necessarily superior, given that empirically we know of both good and bad outcomes for both sides (e.g. your argument about their lack of freedom of speech vs theirs about our botched covid handling due to "freedom" SJWs)

And to reiterate: I do think "unified" is a loaded term: it implies everyone should be on board with whatever the CCP decides, because it's for the "common good", when in reality that's not a belief held equally by everyone. (Incidentally, it also implies that the US is functionally stuck on inaction due political bickering, a position that I find somewhat accurate, especially on matters of public welfare, e.g. healthcare reform)

Personally, I think always coloring things with one ideology doesn't work because each topic is different, hence my suggestion to seek different opinions outside of our own echo chambers.

Re: China has forbidden under-18s from playing games for more than three hours/week

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I have mixed feelings about this. Younger me learned a lot of problem solving skills and most importantly spent a lot of time learning how to read by playing RPGs and games that required lots of reading. My reading skills would not have been as advanced if i wasn't playing text heavy games that had a lot of plot like Square Enix games and the CRPGs of the time. Modern games though are clearly designed to get you as a…

Dark soul is only hard because you have to memorize all the cheap shots ( https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TrialAndErrorGam... ) level designers placed there

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I am appalled by all the supportive comments in this thread. Why are HN users so comfortable with authoritarian government? It’s about more than just online games. It’s about control. I’m sure the great firewall is perfectly fine as well?

> Why are HN users so comfortable with authoritarian government? Organic users or paid ones? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/50_Cent_Party

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Re: China has forbidden under-18s from playing games for more than three hours/week

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Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake. Actually though this is a fucking big brother atrocity of a policy that people will inevitably circumvent and the government will pick and choose when to enforce.

"enemy"? What the fuck HN. edit: Xenophobic mods flagging my comment lol

You've been breaking the site guidelines repeatedly, using multiple accounts. I've banned two of them. If you don't want your main account to be banned, please stop abusing the site like this.

This has nothing to do with your particular opinions; we don't know, or care, what those are. We ban accounts that repeatedly post flamebait comments regardless of what they're flaming for or against. No more of that, please.

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Re: China has forbidden under-18s from playing games for more than three hours/week

#907

I have mixed feelings about this. Younger me learned a lot of problem solving skills and most importantly spent a lot of time learning how to read by playing RPGs and games that required lots of reading. My reading skills would not have been as advanced if i wasn't playing text heavy games that had a lot of plot like Square Enix games and the CRPGs of the time. Modern games though are clearly designed to get you as a…

Thinking about this a different way. We have seen the games that come out that exist to get you to play as long as possible look like. What will the games that exist to be so awesome that if you get to play only an hour a day that want you to come back again look like? Will they make sure that hour is highly enjoyable and engaging instead of grindy? Is that a more sustainable model for game devs? At least its a chang…

Sadky, all the 8 year olds in my sons cohort will just say 'bah'. But they have touch builds so time to look at the src. Thanks!

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Are you saying China can't enforce this? the difference is that China is able to actually apply the law, with it's fire wall and unprecedently separated tech infrastrure. It may also threaten the companies to straight up boot them from China if they don't comply.

People will just start to crack the games to remove this rule, and use private self-hosted servers imho.

and get sent to the gulag

Re: China has forbidden under-18s from playing games for more than three hours/week

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post #235

I am appalled by all the supportive comments in this thread. Why are HN users so comfortable with authoritarian government? It’s about more than just online games. It’s about control. I’m sure the great firewall is perfectly fine as well?

Really? I can't name a democratic government that doesn't restrict/ban things they consider harmful to minors. If the CCP or Sweden or whomever else has come to the conclusion that the "excessive modern online gaming" is tantamount to gambling, it's a reflection on their values / evaluations (or even just the differing characteristics of popular games in their country), not the relative reach/control exhibited by the…

Nowhere else in the non-authoritarian world has any regulation remotely like this. This is not the same as age limits on alcohol or cigarettes or gambling. They are limiting a leisure activity to a specific “CCP approved” window complete with a real-id and facial recognition tracking system.

This is a horrendous infringement on personal liberty. No human should ever have to endure government mandates over such trivial parts of their lives “for the greater good”. This tactic is used by the likes of the Taliban who banned painting, music, sports etc.

I mentioned the great firewall to illustrate what Chinas real goals here are: total and absolute control over their citizens. The CCP restricts access to free information, political dissent, and freedom of religion.

These are new laws being introduced which would make it illegal for a teenager to play ONLINE CHESS on a Wednesday. How is this not overreach? If the dark software patterns were really the issue they would just make the loot boxes and micro purchases illegal. It’s 100% about power.

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