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The UK has both the freedom to drink in a park and a binge drinking problem.
Last I checked, everybody in London is kicked out of the pub at some stupid hour like 9pm and they have to go to restaurants to keep drinking.
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The UK has both the freedom to drink in a park and a binge drinking problem.
Last I checked, everybody in London is kicked out of the pub at some stupid hour like 9pm and they have to go to restaurants to keep drinking.
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You're trivializing alcohol and drug consumption in a dangerous way. Binge drinking and other drugs consumption are very serious youth problems leading to lifelong health issues or even death. I'm also pretty sure there is a correlation between youth and adult consumption. Finally, Germany has a higher alcohol consumption per year per person than the USA
They're not saying teenage binge drinking is never problematic – they actually used the words "risks of hurting ourselves is probably higher than the reward". The point is that youths do risky things; it's a normal part of growing up, and is how you learn about risk and responsibility. Youth binge drinking shouldn't be seen as separate from youths just doing risky things because that's what youths do, else you'll com…
Like banning flavored vapes! This was my argument, kids being kids, talk and explain to them why what they’re doing is damaging. Nobody accepted it for that argument, why are people accepting it for this one?
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I regularly go out and have picnics with my wife and have never once been harassed about sharing a bottle of wine with our meal. My family goes camping over Memorial Day weekend to state parks all over Ohio and it’s pretty common to have alcoholic drinks but, as long as you’re not bothering anyone, nobody cares. We’ve been doing this for as long as I’ve been alive and not once has anyone cared in 30+ years. The US ha…
There's a whole different side of this your comment isn't really addressing, which is how these laws apply to poor communities. Most places I know of in the U.S. if you're walking down the street and a cop sees you with a beer, they'll make an issue about it. The thing is, it's not always super obvious, and they don't bother to look too close usually if they don't have a reason to. I don't think this is the case in p…
Poor communities? Really? People are oppressing others “right” to drink now? Where’s your evidence for any of this? In my “rich” neighborhood cops stop people all the time for drinks in the park or glass bottles on the beach.
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I regularly go out and have picnics with my wife and have never once been harassed about sharing a bottle of wine with our meal. My family goes camping over Memorial Day weekend to state parks all over Ohio and it’s pretty common to have alcoholic drinks but, as long as you’re not bothering anyone, nobody cares. We’ve been doing this for as long as I’ve been alive and not once has anyone cared in 30+ years. The US ha…
Firstly, I'm clearly not talking about camping. I'm talking about parks in the suburbs and cities. Secondly, "having a wine with my wife" is treated very differently from "having some beers with my fellow twenty-somethings," without needing to bring in the extra baggage that would be included if those twenty-somethings happen to be black. I'm sure I can drink a wine in the park with my wife too, now that I'm old. Doe…
Oh that’s rich. A certain political party’s primary goal seems to control and reduce freedoms.
Also what evidence do you have that “brown” people are targeted more than others?
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> You can drink openly at the beach. In CA at least, drinking at most beaches is not legal: https://beachlifeexpert.com/beaches/alcohol-guide-california...
not legal, but very socially acceptable
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The public drinking laws are not because the government thinks the average person can't be trusted. It's because the homeless population has a large drinking problem and it often results in people getting assaulted on the street. These laws let the police do something about this before it results in harm.
This certainly does not explain having such laws in the vast areas of the US that doesn't have such a homeless problem. While I know there are homeless folks everywhere, it isn't such an issue to pass special drinking laws. I think your drinking laws are more rooted in conservative Christianity and disdain for poor folks that might just drink up their welfare money somehow.
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Sure there are, but those require someone to be assaulted to enforce them. If they can short-circuit the process during the "drinking in public" preamble to the assault then one might say violence was prevented instead of punished. The perpetrator ends up with a lighter sentence (DIP not nearly as frowned upon as violent crimes) and the would-be-victims aren't even involved.
There are many laws like this that attempt to prevent an uncommon Bad Thing™ from happening at the expense of individual freedom. Some are created as a response to some event. Some are the result of some group pushing their moral values in law. I think we have seen that in most cases these types of laws that conflate correlation and causation are harmful and often abused to the detriment of specific groups.
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I I think you make some good points as far as general cultural attitudes exacerbating the problem. To an extent, I also think the same can be applied to all drugs. These are social, cultural, and health issues more often than they are criminal issues.
But they certainly become criminal issues if you put them in the criminal corner.
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I bet Hawaiians working in tourism meet a lot more people than I do. Maybe as many as two hundred a day (granted, only for a few minutes at those volumes). If you manage to do that five days a week for thirty years, you meet 1.4 million people, or 0.4% of the US population. Obviously in most cases you'd have no idea about how smart most of these people are. You'd probably remember the ones who did especially dumb or…
I don’t suppose there is any scenario in which you would give human observation credit. Regarding sufficient sample size, a person in that scenario would achieve it in weeks, or perhaps a year, assuming variance in types of visitors over the seasons.
I think trying to generalize about populations on this scale from personal interactions is worse than pointless.
I have plenty of value for a reduced statement, one that acknowledges explicitly that the speaker can only legitimately talk about his experiences, not the US or Japanese populations as a whole.