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Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by dragonwriter »

Zuider wrote: post #885
jandrese wrote: post #867

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Have you ever considered the notion that maybe your views are unpopular? Possibly even misinformed? Maybe if everyone disagrees with something you say, it's not the rest of the world's fault? Are you Principal Skinner going "Am I so out of touch? No, it is the children who are wrong."

This can go both ways. A majority view may be held complacently without being challenged much or often. A minority view encounters constant resistance and reminders that it is not held by many, and may potentially be more robust because of that. Either way, a belief ought to be based on facts and sound reasoning rather than group pressure, and even the most strongly held position ought to be held provisionally and su…

> a belief ought to be based on facts and sound reasoning

What is the basis for this belief?

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by jtbayly »

teddyfrozevelt wrote: post #875
jtbayly wrote: post #699

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Vast majority? OK..... So what about the stuff that was from private posts? You're really going to justify this?

It wasn't from private posts, it was from deleted posts. Parler left them accessible and so they happened to be caught when scraping.

The hacker specifically mentioned on Twitter both deleted and private data.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by cyberdelica »

onion2k wrote: post #357
wassenaar10 wrote: post #75

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> Either way a platform that freeley allows the organization of violent mobs has no place, and neither does anybody who supports it. So all social media then

No, because most social media platforms don't freely allow the organization of violent mobs. Twitter, Facebook, etc will ban you for doing that. Even, as it turns out, if you're the POTUS.

> No, because most social media platforms don't freely allow the organization of violent mobs. Twitter, Facebook, etc will ban you for doing that. Even, as it turns out, if you're the POTUS.

I seem to remember just a few years back, social media platforms, and the darling media being quite proud of organising violent mobs - or as they preferred to call it, "freedom" - in a movement known as the "Arab Spring"[0]. It was touted as one of the "virtues" of such platforms.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_media_and_the_Arab_Spri...

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by astrea »

kache_ wrote: post #688
astrea wrote: post #574

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You make 4chan sounds like a utopia. Clearly you've never seen the revenge porn, gore, doxxing, etc that happens (or at least used to happen, havent been there in years) on b/.

why the hell would anyone go on /b/? Same reason no one goes to reddit/r/nsfl And honestly, 4chan really is a utopia compared to orange reddit. Removing identities makes conversations less about how the individual appears and more about the substance of the topic.

So you agree that unmoderated communities result in cesspools? We took the scenic route, but I'm glad we arrived at my point eventually.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by astrea »

adnzzzzZ wrote: post #649
astrea wrote: post #574

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You make 4chan sounds like a utopia. Clearly you've never seen the revenge porn, gore, doxxing, etc that happens (or at least used to happen, havent been there in years) on b/.

This thread is talking about an example of doxxing on a much larger scale than anything that has ever happened on 4chan. What's your point?

My point is what my original comment says.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by brigandish »

l9k wrote: post #522
brigandish wrote: post #397

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I'm going to side with the interpretations of history that are a tad more complex than "he gave a rousing speech, hence, genocide", and there are plenty of them.

Yet you seem to side with the less complex interpretation of current event being "he gave a rousing speech"

That's my opponent's position, not mine. When creating an opposing argument it's almost certain you will have to state their argument (in whole or in part) to produce a refutation.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by brigandish »

ipsocannibal wrote: post #897
brigandish wrote: post #344

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> The threat is in giving the fascist terrorist 1% a microphone The problem with fascist terrorists is not their rhetoric, it's their violence. Allow them to speak their mind and you lower their need for violent action and everyone else gets to show that their ideas are horribly flawed. It's amusing to think that people seriously believe there are huge swathes of people just ripe to become neo-nazis because someone g…

I think this is relevent a https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

This is often brought up, mistakenly, as support for restricting speech based on speech alone when it says no such thing.

Popper draws a clear distinction between those who will have intolerant views but do not engage in violence, and those who do engage in violence. It is only the latter, in Popper's view, that must be restricted.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by cbozeman »

MrMan wrote: post #787
cbozeman wrote: post #581

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> Hate speech is not protected. Yes it is. The U.S. Supreme Court has repeatedly ruled that hate speech is legally protected free speech under the First Amendment. The most recent Supreme Court case on the issue was in 2017, when the justices unanimously reaffirmed that there is effectively no "hate speech" exception to the free speech rights protected by the First Amendment. [1] > Say unimaginably hateful shit, see…

i am really sad that hate speech is allowed in the US. i think it is shameful and dangerous. I have no comment on you telling that other guy to be very fucking careful

> i am really sad that hate speech is allowed in the US. i think it is shameful and dangerous.

Fortunately our founders realized how necessary speech is, especially speech we don't like. I'm waiting to see Noam Chomsky get canceled for saying, “Goebbels was in favor of free speech for views he liked. So was Stalin. If you’re really in favor of free speech, then you’re in favor of freedom of speech for precisely the views you despise. Otherwise, you’re not in favor of free speech.”

> I have no comment on you telling that other guy to be very fucking careful

He should be thankful, because I'm trying to save him from getting seriously injured - perhaps even killed one day. People who have a lot of experience fighting, especially having either seen or participated in fights outside of a controlled environment, will tell you just how incredibly dangerous it is to fight someone for whom you have no idea of their capabilities. You might have just picked a fight with someone with advanced combat training who will hand you your ass... even worse, you might have come upon someone with enough training you to seriously harm you, but not enough training to know how to exercise restraint.

You are far better served to try to de-escalate a situation than to actively jump in like your John Wick... because you're not. John Wicks of the world are only fighting when they have no other option.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by brigandish »

joshuamorton wrote: post #666
brigandish wrote: post #497

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> You're purposefully being reductionist about this. I'm really not, and I'd prefer if you started off responding to me by not (mis)characterising my intentions. I'm 100% sincere in my support of free speech and stand 100% behind my comment. > People having their brains hit with racist or violent rhetoric over a long period of time will be changed by that Yes, they will, which is why it's good to allow every voice an…

Parler was an echo chamber. > which was unchallengable due to blasphemy laws There's basically no support for this claim in any literature I can find. Care to cite a historian?

Parler was not an echo chamber by design.

> There's basically no support for this claim in any literature I can find. Care to cite a historian?

Tell me the literature you looked in first, because I want to know which books can miss such basic facts, and hence what I should avoid. The history of Europe is soaked in blood provoked by differences over what can be said by religious people, to religious people, and of them and their views. Entire wars have been fought over it - are you going to tell me there are historians that are credible who'll claim Europe was a land of toleration? Locke wrote his letter of toleration specifically because of the widespread intolerance and bloodshed.

If you use the word heresy instead of blasphemy and your search may prove more fruitful. It was effect in Europe from the Edict of Thessalonica, which brought the first execution, and in some countries hasn't been repealed from law. If you look up the last people executed under these laws you may even find what they said to deserve execution.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by refurb »

burntsushi wrote: post #778
chrisco255 wrote: post #744

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Have you ever been to /r/politics? It's a groupthink circle jerk. The difference, of course, is that /r/conservative is explicitly defined as a conservative community while /r/politics implies they are some sort of neutral community which they most certainly are not. At any rate, finding a diverse community of ideological people coming together to discuss politics with intellectual fervor is rather difficult these da…

I think you're missing the point. /r/conservative censoring views or users is just fine. They can define the norms of their own community and enforce them. Just don't hypocritically declare that other people can't also do the same. That's the point here. The hypocrisy.

This really makes it more of a propaganda weapon than a free speech platform.

That's what the OP was referring to. If everyone is going to call out Parler for being a propaganda channel, then apply the same standards to Democratic Underground, r/politics, r/antifa, etc.

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