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Re: Stripe bans Trump campaign

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Post by JuliusPullo »

colejohnson66 wrote: post #765
imperio59 wrote: post #665

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We could say there is a strong argument Joe Biden and his family broke the law, and indeed there's a criminal investigation into Hunter and associates. However not only did all the big tech companies not withdraw support for Biden or prevent his campaign from using their apps, they doubled down and censored the story so most voters would not hear of it before the elections. Again, big double standards at play here fr…

The Hunter Biden conspiracy has been debunked dozens of times over. That’s why the companies haven’t withdrawn support for his family. Trump, OTOH, has pushed the boundaries of acceptable his entire presidency, and has almost certainly broken the law in the process many time.

It has NOT been debunked. What you have is the media constantly repeating that it has been debunked.

Re: Stripe bans Trump campaign

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Post by LadyCailin »

leokennis wrote: post #893
nailer wrote: post #869

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Trump called for a March on the Capitol building. This is a very common thing for politicians to do. This does not constitute inciting violence.

Please. The "nod nod wink wink" is extremely obvious in any Trump speech.

And further, the "we love you" comment in the midst of it.

Re: Stripe bans Trump campaign

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Post by alecbz »

jf22 wrote: post #888
cambalache wrote: post #849

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Who is society? The coastal rich liberal tech owners?

Many people make up these companies. It's not like there is a secret cabal of left-leaning tech owners that get together and make decisions like this.

It's not an explicit conspiracy but there are incredibly strong political bubbles in the US.

Re: Stripe bans Trump campaign

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Post by nec4b »

jf22 wrote: post #887
nec4b wrote: post #851

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Society hasn't decided anything unless you think a self selected group of people now represents the whole society. The Democratic party and its business lackeys decided to remove political in business opposition/competition with impunity and the Republican party being mostly indifferent about it.

>The Democratic party and its business lackeys See this is part of the problem. You are lumping together two different organizations that are nothing alike as somehow part of the same cabal. Many different people from many different groups and organizations are reaching the same conclusion about Trump and the rise of violent right wing extremism. Different parts of society are agreeing, and then in each of these part…

I'm not the one lumping them together, they lumped themselves together the same way unions and the Democratic party did a long time ago. Revolving doors, clientelism, business opportunities, power struggle,...

Re: Stripe bans Trump campaign

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Post by jusssi »

yurielt wrote: post #873
jusssi wrote: post #820

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If you can't broadcast, how good is your message? If you can't convince enough people that your message is worth propagating, maybe it isn't. If you can, you will have the means.

If you can you will have the means? Lmao sounds like you believe popular support is an indicator of correctness and that is very very wrong you should read about Galileo pal

Lmao, pal to you too. Galileo succeeded, we heard his theory and eventually found it more correct than the previous one. And he managed that without Twitter, Youtube or Parler.

Re: Stripe bans Trump campaign

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Post by LadyCailin »

ramraj07 wrote: post #688
beltex wrote: post #641

“All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.” — George Orwell, Animal Farm I understand the moves by Stripe, Twitter, and co. However, I would argue that the long term implications set by this precedent are much worse. When the Snowden story first broke back in 2013, many on HN argued that, hey it's all good, I have nothing to hide, and I trust our President. Three short years later, who took…

Can you prove that the same people who said "so what" to Snowden said "this is fine to these tech actions? My personal experience is that the people who opposed to mass surveillance are fully in support of these actions. At least I do. It's fairly clear where these companies are drawing a line, and for most people like me, it's a perfectly acceptable line. Being the cause of actual violence and death means you get to…

I'm one of those "murky question" people, and here's my take on it.

Discrimination is discrimination, and can and should be prohibited. Free speech was not invented when Twitter and Stripe were created, and thus it cannot be deprived by being banned from these platforms. Fomenting violent revolution is most certainly worth preventing, as is discrimination against people for their immutable traits. Fomenting violence is not an immutable trait.

I see the point people try to make when they equate the two, but I don’t think it’s a good one, because then it equates lgbt discrimination with private company platform bans for fomenting violence, implying that if you have one, you must tolerate the other, but that’s not true. One can ban discrimination while at the same time allowing Twitter or whoever to ban people promoting violence on/with their platforms. The principals are internally logically consistent, even if one disagrees with them.

Re: Stripe bans Trump campaign

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Post by eejit_compiler »

ohnohell wrote: post #709
eejit_compiler wrote: post #234

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Amazon aren't the only provider of hosting services, even if they are one of the largest. It's entirely doable to shift providers, even in the face of censorship - The Pirate Bay is one long-running example of this.

I'm not sure how you missed the point by that much. Infrastructure bans are a thing now. You can't produce an app to compete with Twitter and Facebook if you don't have access to scalable infrastructure. Moving to a different host to get canceled there isn't a solution.

Yes you can, it just means the scalability has to be designed in without using AWS/GCP/Azure services. Just like we all used to do it.

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Post by prepend »

Jochim wrote: post #839
nmfisher wrote: post #512

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If you were cut off from social media, payment processors, web hosts and mail providers, would you practically be able to launch a political campaign?

If society has decided that your political campaign is so toxic that no one wants to do business with you, should private entities be forced to deal with you if you are not a protected class? Parler being booted is society's reaction to a movement that has been getting more extreme for the last 5 years. I'll note the irony that many of the people complaining about companies refusing to deal with Parler are the same p…

> If society has decided that your political campaign is so toxic that no one wants to do business with you, should private entities be forced to deal with you if you are not a protected class?

I think this is the issue though, right. Elections represent what society wants. If 5 corporations get to decide you’re toxic and that prevents you from campaigning, what regulation will help insure this authority isn’t abused or misused?

I think it’s also worth noting the irony that many of the people complaining that bakers should be forced to bake a cake are supporting stripe being able to refuse service.

Re: Stripe bans Trump campaign

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Post by invisible »

blub wrote: post #838
invisible wrote: post #699

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> We’re leading Pennsylvania, Michigan, Georgia by hundreds of thousands of votes, and then late in the evening or early in the morning, boom, these explosions of and bullshit, and all of a sudden. All of a sudden it started to happen. > Rudy, you did a great job. He’s got guts. You know what? He’s got guts, unlike a lot of people in the Republican party. He’s got guts, he fights. He fights, and I’ll tell you. > We’r…

Based on how the German press was claiming that Trump was clearly guilty for the Capitol building incident, I was expecting at least some kind of controversial statement, but there's no explicit call for violence or anything in there. Nothing. If this is all that the people blaming Trump have, they can't even convince an impartial observer or a judge, never mind his supporters.

Perhaps I should have made it more clear, but this is only part of the hour long speech. He spent most of the speech claiming that we had an illegitimate election, that he won by a lot, that all the media is lying, and that Biden will destroy America and all that they believe in.

So you know, basic undermining of our entire democracy. Also, Trump almost always gets supporters to read between the lines. It’s the expectation he sets.

Re: Stripe bans Trump campaign

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Post by prepend »

jf22 wrote: post #888
cambalache wrote: post #849

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Who is society? The coastal rich liberal tech owners?

Many people make up these companies. It's not like there is a secret cabal of left-leaning tech owners that get together and make decisions like this.

In the case of Facebook and Google, their founders have voting majority shares and literally control the companies. It’s not a secret cabal of left-leaning owners, it is a publicly known set of left-leaning tech owners.

I’m not saying they act evilly, but Facebook is literally controlled by one person who cannot be outvoted by every other owner. And Google is controlled by two as well [0].

[0] https://fortune.com/2019/12/05/page-and-brin-google-control/

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