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WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using app

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I just added a status to my Whatsapp, telling friends and family to "leave Whatsapp and join Signal.org".

None of my friends can see it (I checked for two close friends).

Can one of you guys try the same and confirm Whatsapp does not block such status?

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Assign everyone an IP V6, there's plenty. Then treat that as our internet phone number. Define a chat protocol that contains the very basics and everyone has to support that. Want to send a chat, you have their IP V6. Exchange using QR code. No server necessary for the basics. If a text fails sending device can keep trying or just give up. This takes chat away from any single service.

This approach ignores all the aspects that made whatsapp / chat services popular in the first place. A short list: - Contact Discovery - Group chats - History / Log - Shared message order - Communication beyond text (emojis / reactions / inline images) - Ability to receive messages while offline - No need for technical skills These aren't trivial features, they are prerequisites for any replacement, decentralized or…

Everything you list could be supported at the client level with a decentralized IP6 level protocol without a need for a centralized server middleman.

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It's harder for US folks to understand just how much of a monopoly WhatsApp has in Europe and the UK. Pretty much all of our school and local community communication happens via WhatsApp. I'd change to Signal or Telegram in a heartbeat, but the inertia is so great it's not possible. It pains me to say, but we're getting to the point where companies like Twitter, Facebook and Google need to be treated like utilities o…

> I'd change to Signal or Telegram in a heartbeat, but the inertia is so great it's not possible. It has to start somewhere. It is possible, but it takes will, and the acceptance that you will lose some contacts.

Most of my friends have migrated to Telegram now.

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Note that gpg provides worse security from an encryption standpoint than signal/WhatsApp

Care to explain?

No perfect forward security. It's a feature, not a bug.

Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using app

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Yes, it would force people to use better alternatives such as Signal or Telegram.

Signal is run by someone who hates repeatable builds and open platforms. Telegram is to the russian government what whatsapp is to the US government. That is to say, both options are bad. Of course it is conceptually better to spread your information over many separate information silos so that your data is harder to correlate. That should not be the bar we aspire to though.

>Telegram is to the russian government what whatsapp is to the US government.

Do you have a source for that. Telegram is built by the VKontakt guys who Putin famously fucked over.

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Even my mother, in her 70s, who somehow always manages to have a new virus or piece of crapware on her laptop every time I visit, knows about the importance of this thing called "privacy" and had no trouble grasping the idea that everything she shares on FB is recorded and used for advertising. It's not a hard concept, and it's not just tech people who care about it. It doesn't require any knowledge of tech to unders…

Am I off the mark in guessing your mother, in her 70’s has some strong opinions about one Senator Joe McCarthy or Hoover? Has she ever spoken much about living through that period-assuming your family are American? My apologies for the imposition if that’s not the case.

I'm going to guess the downvotes are from people who don't know the history of people like McCarthy or Hoover's FBI and why someone who was lived through that era might be sensitive to and have opinions about topics of privacy[0][1]?

[0] https://www.techrepublic.com/article/j-edgar-hoover-would-ha...

[1] https://journals.openedition.org/diacronie/4823

Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using app

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Note that gpg provides worse security from an encryption standpoint than signal/WhatsApp

Care to explain?

whatsapp and signal have forward secrecy, so if your private key is leaked it means that past conversations can't be decrypted. In reality it does not offer a lot of protection if you don't disable keeping logs (because losing your phone and malware are the only realistic ways of your private key being leaked). In addition the way that they have forward secrecy implemented it means that you have to decrypt every message posted in groupchats while you were offline sequently until the last one, which can take hours in an active (even if small) group if you are gone for a week. The other thing is that both of these apps to my knowledge do not warn you if a new key is added (I might be wrong here) so an active attacker can pretty much nullify the encryption, this is not an issue with openpgp.

Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using app

#908

It's harder for US folks to understand just how much of a monopoly WhatsApp has in Europe and the UK. Pretty much all of our school and local community communication happens via WhatsApp. I'd change to Signal or Telegram in a heartbeat, but the inertia is so great it's not possible. It pains me to say, but we're getting to the point where companies like Twitter, Facebook and Google need to be treated like utilities o…

Same in Mexico and (AFAIK) most LATAM countries.

If I need anything to be delivered to the house I need to use Whatsapp (gas, water, food, etc).

Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using app

#909

I just added a status to my Whatsapp, telling friends and family to "leave Whatsapp and join Signal.org". None of my friends can see it (I checked for two close friends). Can one of you guys try the same and confirm Whatsapp does not block such status?

Works for my friends me, though I didn't out URL (.org) in the status.

Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using app

#910

It's harder for US folks to understand just how much of a monopoly WhatsApp has in Europe and the UK. Pretty much all of our school and local community communication happens via WhatsApp. I'd change to Signal or Telegram in a heartbeat, but the inertia is so great it's not possible. It pains me to say, but we're getting to the point where companies like Twitter, Facebook and Google need to be treated like utilities o…

>how much of a monopoly WhatsApp has in Europe and the UK

Everything you said applies to the Indian subcontinent, SE Asia and South America which form the bulk of the WhatsApp user base as well but with lesser or no scrutiny whatsoever when compared to EU/UK.

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