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Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Remember about this when the usual "Google blocked my Gmail" post happens here. Interact with content like this on Youtube and you would risk losing your whole Google account. "They are a private company so they can do whatever they want!"

Yes thanks for mentioning this, the comments to this post are unusual even for HN. I'm wondering if there are so many comments that they are not actually sorted by most upvotes correctly

Your way of thinking fascinates and terrifies me.

A lot of people are saying things I don’t agree with, so it must be a problem with the “algorithm”.

Maybe it’s just that the majority of the people here feel a certain way.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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This is not a black and white issue. Although I am not a supporter of censorship on the internet, I do agree with others here that misinformation on social media is a present threat democracy.

There are tree pillars to our democracy: government, the media and voters. The role of media is to stay independent neutral and to inform the people, the role of voters is to seek information, and actively participate in the democracy. Nowadays, social media has largely taken over the role of the media, and self-feeding recommendation algorithms have only exacerbated the problem. Nevertheless, the greater problem and the true cause of our current division is the failure of our education system. People are simply not trained to think critically, and seek out arguments that oppose their own.

Unfortunately, fixing our education system will take many years, or even a generation. It may be putting the horse before the cart, but for now I think the simpler fix is at the level of social media. Have any of you noticed how greedy the YouTube algorithm is? I watch one video on conspiracy theories, just out of curiosity, and suddenly I have like half a dozen similar recommendations on my homepage. This can only have the effect of boxing people into their own belief system...

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Absolutely nothing about the USA is in danger of falling apart. These conspiracy theories would die by themselves in a month or two. Lets be clear about what's happening here: Google/Facebook and the like are becoming targets of anti-trust regulatory lawsuits (privacy, data-gathering, monopolistic behavior, etc). This is just an attempt to build goodwill with the incoming administration so they can call in a favor la…

ROFL: Nailed it: https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/press-releases/2020/12/ftc-s...

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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https://www.engadget.com/youtube-election-misinformation-dem... So, i'm kind of curious how it's reasonable a political party can ask for partisan censorship. >YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki received a letter on Tuesday from four Democratic senators expressing “deep concern” over the spread of election misinformation on Google’s video platform. In the letter, senators Robert Menendez of New Jersey, Mazie Hirono of Hawaii…

I wonder where it's going to end.

Once you have started taking sides, started to take down videos you fund spreading incorrect points of view, you can consider to extend it. Videos that doubt the efficaciousness of masks. Videos that say the quarantine is a plot by world government of reptiloid aliens. Videos that promote the idea of flat Earth. Well, this is a dead end.

How about videos that Taiwan is in fact independent from China? Videos that allege that unelected bureaucrars have more power than elected officials? Videos that suggest that there is trouble with voting counting during US elections?

You can easily end up doing way, way more censorship than strictly required to keep your resource legally clean (hate speech, copyright violations, etc). If I were Google (YouTube, Alphabet, whoever is responsible), I would stay as far away as possible from this kind of censorship, purely because of the cost of doing it, and the constant getting into hot water when not censoring enough, or censoring too much. Being a neutral pipe could be plainly better for the business.

Edited: typos.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

#907

YouTube's justification here is actually kind of fascinating. They note that since there is no longer a legal path to modifying the results of the election, they're taking the outcome of the US legal structure as a factual indicator of the status of the election results and justifying the takedowns on the basis that they lie about the historical outcome of the election. In essence, they are saying that the federal go…

> They note that since there is no longer a legal path to modifying the results of the election Isn’t there a Supreme Court case that Texas filed and 18 states added on with amici curiae? It won’t be heard, and it wouldn’t be positively ruled, but it “is” a possibly isn’t it? Also, isn’t it possible if there was fraud that it was discovered later? Shouldn’t that be “allowed”? (I’m not in any way facetiously asking, I…

The court has already unanimously declined to interfere in the election in the PA case. The TX case isn’t going to be suddenly different.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

#908

https://www.engadget.com/youtube-election-misinformation-dem... So, i'm kind of curious how it's reasonable a political party can ask for partisan censorship. >YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki received a letter on Tuesday from four Democratic senators expressing “deep concern” over the spread of election misinformation on Google’s video platform. In the letter, senators Robert Menendez of New Jersey, Mazie Hirono of Hawaii…

A letter from four people "urging" something isn't blatant censorship. Blatant censorship just happens--there's no asking in between (see China for more).

Google is making a strategic decision. Despite what you may hope, free speech isn't YouTube's main priority--it's profit. Right now they're trying to minimize the possibility profits may be impacted by stakeholder action. They don't care if your particular political views aren't adequately represented. Free speech isn't a mandated requirement for corporations.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

#909

If there is to be toleration in the world, one of the things taught in schools must be the habit of weighing evidence, and the practice of not giving full assent to propositions which there is no reason to believe true. For example, the art of reading the newspapers should be taught. The schoolmaster should select some incident which happened a good many years ago, and roused political passions in its day. He should…

Today I had a frightening interaction on Facebook with a friend of my wife's cousin. He claimed "the new COVID-19 virus had never been tested on humans, only animals" and when I called him on his misinformation and pointed out that the phase 3 trial for the Pfizer vaccine included 43,000 people he shrugged and told me he was entitled to his opinions, and he just had different sources. This is somehow terrifying.

Why does this "terrify" you

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

#910

For as smart as many of the people on this site are, I'm shocked how many don't understand the fundamental principal that YouTube is a private company and can do whatever they please with speech. This isn't the government, this isn't first amendment.

You're mischaracterizing the outrage. Virtually everyone is making a normative argument against this censorship, not a technical one. Google is perfectly within their rights to host what they want, everyone can agree with that. Whether they should engage in censorship (beyond what is required by law) is what everyone is debating.

I disagree. There are many here (including you) that conflate the idea of 1st Amendment "freedom of speech" and the general idea of censorship. You even use the word "censorship" to provoke a knee-jerk reaction as if censorship is automatically evil and we ought to have some inherent right to not be censored. We do have such a right, from the 1st Amendment, and it doesn't apply to YouTube.

Companies censor, as they often should. They should censor against violence, exploitation, DDOS attacks, and much more. They should censor to protect their viewers and their brands. If you want to spew hate speech, exploit some vulnerable people, build a devoted following of uneducated people then do it on your own dime.

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