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Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by echelon »

read_if_gay_ wrote: post #57
submeta wrote: post #2

Unbelievable. When I read the tweet (tried to post here as well), I suddenly realized why my Mac was unresponsive an hour ago. Here is another tweet that describes the problem in more detail: https://mobile.twitter.com/llanga/status/1326989724704268289 > I am currently unable to work because macOS sends hashes of every opened executable to some server of theirs and when `trustd` and `syspolicyd` are unable to do so,…

I started panicking mildly thinking my drive was failing or something. And just before this, I finally managed to fix Spotlight pegging one core at 100% constantly. Next thing, I reboot into a laggy system. macOS is my favorite OS, but the shit I put up with... it's basically an abusive relationship at this point.

Just wait until you can only run signed binaries.

As developers and engineers, we ought to be jumping off this platform like a sinking ship. It's clear that they want to lock it down like the iPhone. Why else would they be measuring which apps are in use if they didn't want to control it?

If your argument is "compatibility research", you're missing the other warning signs.

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by ehsankia »

Spivak wrote: post #873
ehsankia wrote: post #584

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I'm sorry if this was answered elsewhere, but can someone explain me how this works when you don't have internet connection? I assume you can still launch apps without internet connection. So then, what stops bad actors to just either block connection to ocsp or straight up turn off your connection entirely when running malware?

Through the very mechanism people are complaining about today. If your machine is offline then it switches to a fail-open system and uses its cache to verify the binary and if it's not in the cache then it skips the check and allows it. If your machine is online then it switches to a fail-closed system so that if you can't reach the servers because of something malicious then it blocks.

So that seems like more of an analytics system to me than a protection system, if it can be circumvented so easily.

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by echelon »

auslegung wrote: post #164
read_if_gay_ wrote: post #57

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I started panicking mildly thinking my drive was failing or something. And just before this, I finally managed to fix Spotlight pegging one core at 100% constantly. Next thing, I reboot into a laggy system. macOS is my favorite OS, but the shit I put up with... it's basically an abusive relationship at this point.

> macOS is my favorite OS, but the shit I put up with... Idk, the several Linux distros I’ve used recently, and Windows, have a much longer list of “shit _I_ put up with”

Linux doesn't force you to sign your binaries or lock you out of devices you own.

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by CathedralBorrow »

blacklight wrote: post #444

This isn't anything surprising. A handful of companies out there have been working hard for the past few years to kill the personal computer and turn it back into a dumb terminal that connects to a mainframe owned by them, and they've managed to do it. Nomenclature also matters - they've stopped calling them "computers", now they're just "devices". Enjoy your $1500 dumb terminal. If you're still buying Apple products…

"If you're still buying Apple products, then you're simply unforgivable."

What does this even mean? Are you unable to forgive me for buying an Apple product? Why exactly should that matter to me?

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by bsaul »

toyg wrote: post #717
darthrupert wrote: post #639

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I think you should stick to Apple, frankly. Every time Apple comes up with something new (or just a new software release), people come out of their sheds to warn about all the bad things that will happen. And then almost none of those bad things happen. I've witnessed this dozens of times now, so a safe interpretation would be to assume that this time none of those things happen.

Except bad things did happen. Like their capricious application of Appstore “guidelines”; the increasing difficulty of running software on Mac where the developer won’t pay Apple a tithe; the drop in Linux support for the platform, as they locked it down more and more at hardware level; the imposition of their authentication and payment portals (and hence 30% taxes all around) on web apps... etc etc etc. We have been…

"I love macOS but my next laptop won’t be a mac and my next phone won’t be an iPhone. Divesting from the ecosystem will be painful but we’re well past any grace period at this point. "

same here. I hope this will lead to a leap in quality in alternative mobile & desktop OSes, because at the moment the situation looks pretty bad.

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by [deleted] »

quantgenius wrote: post #870
areoform wrote: post #533

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So yesterday I wrote about the blurring lines of ownership, and people came back with some fairly disparate responses. It's fair to say that I was mostly dismissed. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25058952 And this is why I won't be moving to Apple silicon. Apple already has the ability to restrict whats apps I can run (they can simply toggle a switch for all users to "no unsigned binaries"), and congrats! Apple…

Get a Thinkpad. I replaced a 2015 MacBook Pro with a Thinkpad P1 Gen2 and love it. The trackpad isn’t as nice. The keyboard is better. Running WSL2 you have a great Unixy development environment in Windows. Or just install Linux. As thin and light as a MacBook Pro. Much better thermals, though still not awesome. Other, somewhat larger Thinkpads have better thermals. You can upgrade your RAM, add 2 SSDs and other peri…

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Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by sliken »

romanovcode wrote: post #863
sliken wrote: post #379

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Sorry, not on Ubuntu. It's easy to check, compile a binary, run it, and use wireshark to watch your uplink.

Ubuntu did upload what applications you launched to Amazon.

Link?

There was a connection between the search bar for awhile, if you typed in pants you'd get potential amazon links. It was easy to turn off and disappeared awhile later.

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by Solocomplex »

pgt wrote: post #390

A compelling way to enact change at large corporates is to vocally communicate when and why you are forced back into a buying position as a customer. Apple VPs who are listening, especially Craig Federighi - here is an early warning for you. The HN crowd may seem fringe, but they are living in the future. I de-Googled my entire life over similar transgressions by Google and several of my friends are gradually going t…

Dell Precision and XPS are quality with official Linux support

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by tl »

submeta wrote: post #885
neop1x wrote: post #855

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Currently the workaround seems to be /etc/hosts override or firewall-level blocking. Just a small reminder that this can soon stop working: Apple's apps bypass firewalls like LittleSnitch and LuLu on macOS Big Sur - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24838816

Will they prevent changing hosts file as well?

It's more likely that their will be an Apple-only private API that uses /private/etc/hosts which already exists, but is editable (for now) instead of /etc/hosts.

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by saagarjha »

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #72
LeoNatan25 wrote: post #23

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You can also disable code signing enforcement and amfi by adding the following boot args: cs_enforcement_disable=1 amfi_get_out_of_my_way=1

Would anyone be able to explain more specifically how cs_enforcement_disable is is different from disabling Gatekeeper?

I believe GateKeeper only works on first launch.
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