YouTube-dl has received a DMCA takedown from RIAA • Hacker News Board

Re: YouTube-dl has received a DMCA takedown from RIAA

#901

Post by nett18 » Sat, Oct 24, 2020, 10:08 AM UTC

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #769

eli wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you are misunderstanding the legal argument. The DMCA Section 1201 specifically prohibits (among other things) technology that "is marketed ... for use in circumventing a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title." The example in the README is evidence of this. The argument is that youtube-dl is primarily used for breaking DRM not just that it could be used fo…

What did the readme say that has no legitimate use? Because even downloading Disney can be legitimate. LockPickingLawyer teaches you how to do things that could be torts, but there are circumstances where those same actions are entirely legitimate. Tort generally needs the context to show that something is not legitimate; so the same applies here. AIUI copyright is not a situation of strict liability.

youtube-dl aside, the LockPickingLawyer is an amazing channel.

Re: YouTube-dl has received a DMCA takedown from RIAA

#902

Post by rimliu » Sat, Oct 24, 2020, 10:15 AM UTC

molmalo wrote: post #37

jchw wrote: post #4

Note that RIAA is making this takedown because the software CAN be used to download copyrighted music and videos, and it uses examples in the ~~README~~(unit tests, see correction[1]) as an example of that: > We also note that the source code prominently includes as sample uses of the source code the downloading of copies of our members’ copyrighted sound recordings and music videos, as noted in Exhibit A hereto. For…

I was thinking the same thing: The next step following this line of thinking would be trying to ban all torrent clients, because they CAN be used to download copyrighted material. This is crazy.

Well, we (Lithuania) have a law that works along these lines. When you buy any storage device a part of the price is a tax that goes to IP protection agency. The reasoning is exactly that: because you may store some pirated music or whatever on it. How was this bs passed I have no idea.

Re: YouTube-dl has received a DMCA takedown from RIAA

#903

Post by JdeBP » Sat, Oct 24, 2020, 10:16 AM UTC

aquova wrote: post #139

While its good to get a backup of the source code, youtube-dl is one of those projects that quickly becomes useless as Google mixes stuff around within YouTube, which they like to do. Without an active developer base, the project will quickly become less and less effective, which is one of the big concerns IMO about this lawsuit.

I have wondered why Real Player never seemed, over a period of years (some years ago, at least), to need updates to cope with downloading from YouTube, and yet youtube-dl seemed to need regular updates every few months.

* https://www.real.com/uk/features ("download web videos from popular sites like YouTube and Vimeo")

It's an architectural difference, but it is unclear what it is. It cannot be because RealPlayer Downloader is a browser extension that provides a "download" button within the WWW page itself and youtube-dl works from URLs given on a command line, because other YouTube downloaders like iTube are also able to download a video given only a YouTube page URL.

* https://itube.aimersoft.com/free-mac-youtube-downloader.html ("free download YouTube videos to Mac in a Click.")

Or maybe it isn't a difference nowadays. This was some years ago. But there does not seem to be much talk about having to update these downloaders frequently like youtube-dl.

Re: YouTube-dl has received a DMCA takedown from RIAA

#904

Post by iamnot_fussy » Sat, Oct 24, 2020, 10:26 AM UTC

Have we heard anything from the youtube-dl developers yet? Have they made some sort of statement? Are they really going to get sued? Is it possible to support them (other than through the EFF: https://eff.org/donate/)?

Has github made a statement yet?

(Oh and don't think for one moment that the RIAA's actions have anything to do with supporting the struggling artist.)

Re: YouTube-dl has received a DMCA takedown from RIAA

#905

Post by muterad_murilax » Sat, Oct 24, 2020, 10:27 AM UTC

anta40 wrote: post #900

The latest version is: 2020.09.20, yes? I already grabbed the source code days ago, but forgot the grab the Windows binary. Anyone keep the binary, or perhaps simply have to compile it? :D

https://youtube-dl.org/

Re: YouTube-dl has received a DMCA takedown from RIAA

#906

Post by panpanna » Sat, Oct 24, 2020, 10:37 AM UTC

We need a rouge git server.

Like silk road but for your open source fixes...

Re: YouTube-dl has received a DMCA takedown from RIAA

#907

Post by ordo_inf » Sat, Oct 24, 2020, 10:48 AM UTC

names_are_hard wrote: post #871

ordo_inf wrote: post #521

Everybody, go to PyPi: https://pypi.org/project/youtube_dl/#files Download the whl. Download the tar.gz. ???? Profit. Also, a recommendation for the youtube_dl crew is to use a self-hosted solution (if GitHub/GitLab/SourceForge wont do). Find a cheap Linux hosting provider and run Gitea on it: https://github.com/go-gitea/gitea It's the best tips I can give for now.

I was also able to apt install it on my distro, but the version I got was too old to actually work. So I cloned one of the git repos mentioned in this thread (Chinese copy) and ran it from there.

It could be a good idea to diff it against this version though.

Re: YouTube-dl has received a DMCA takedown from RIAA

#908

Post by iso1210 » Sat, Oct 24, 2020, 10:48 AM UTC

nett18 wrote: post #901

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #769

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What did the readme say that has no legitimate use? Because even downloading Disney can be legitimate. LockPickingLawyer teaches you how to do things that could be torts, but there are circumstances where those same actions are entirely legitimate. Tort generally needs the context to show that something is not legitimate; so the same applies here. AIUI copyright is not a situation of strict liability.

youtube-dl aside, the LockPickingLawyer is an amazing channel.

I watched a horror movie once, the protagonist had hidden in a fortified escape room and was holding their breath.

Then, the scariest thing ever could be heard

"Click out of 3, nothing on 4."

Re: YouTube-dl has received a DMCA takedown from RIAA

#909

Post by sj_krueger » Sat, Oct 24, 2020, 10:48 AM UTC

I have created the youtube-dl repo at Darktea, feel free to create your anonymous accounts and join the project, until we find a better/decentralized place.

For now this should be sufficient:

http://it7otdanqu7ktntxzm427cba6i53w6wlanlh23v5i3siqmos47pzh...

I will give the main contributors the neccessary access for reviewing/merging/etc.. or will entirely hand over the project if you can prove you are the maintainer.

Re: YouTube-dl has received a DMCA takedown from RIAA

#910

Post by iso1210 » Sat, Oct 24, 2020, 10:49 AM UTC

kmlx wrote: post #852

eli wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you are misunderstanding the legal argument. The DMCA Section 1201 specifically prohibits (among other things) technology that "is marketed ... for use in circumventing a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title." The example in the README is evidence of this. The argument is that youtube-dl is primarily used for breaking DRM not just that it could be used fo…

isn’t DMCA a US law? so why not move youtube-dl outside the US github to a country that doesn’t have DMCA/copyright?

The US decided their laws, specifically the DMCA, applied globally back in 2001 [0]

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Elcom_Ltd.