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Re: New iPhone SE

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Post by mnky9800n »

psychomugs wrote: post #891
bruxis wrote: post #874

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure why you cite Japan as an outlier regarding size preferences and smaller-than-average hand sizes, which I generally do not believe to be true and could not find any hard data to cite (source: I live there). Regardless, the iPhone SE did not sell _as_ well in Japan due to a variety of factors, not the least of which being that the iPhone 7 introduced built-in Suica support. Suica is a mobile cash card tech…

In my time abroad in Japan, I found that bringing a small bag was almost an imperative compared to the US where it still seems taboo. This relaxes the pocketability constraint so bringing a larger phone isn't as big of a deal.

What? Why is it taboo to have a bag for your stuff?

Re: New iPhone SE

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Post by kayoone »

ProAm wrote: post #660
kayoone wrote: post #657

I don't really get the hate for the lack of a headphone jack tbh. Have people complaining about this ever really given good bluetooth headphones a chance? My Beats Solo 3 have fantastic battery life, i can switch between devices with a click of a button (in the case of the Bose QC35 even be connected to two devices at the same time, listening to music on the laptop while being able to receive phone calls on the phone…

Just because you dont see a need for it, does not mean there is not a need for it.

i am not saying there is no valid need for it, but nowadays it's a niche need and the market seems to have moved on. I was very skeptical of bluetooth for a long time, but the current generation of devices, especially those with Apples W1/H1 chips are just very very good. Instant switching of devices, no re-pairing, good battery life etc.

Re: New iPhone SE

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Post by skavi »

neya wrote: post #898
ksec wrote: post #854

1163 Comment right now, ~800 Are about Size of Devices. I thought there was another important point. The current entry level iPhone; iPhone SE 2020 with A13 is now faster in Single Threaded performance than ALL current shipping Android, including Flagship Android. And judging by the Qualcomm roadmap, this will likely remain the same in 2021 as well. This is important if you are doing or using Web Apps like Discourse…

> The current entry level iPhone; iPhone SE 2020 with A13 is now faster in Single Threaded performance than ALL current shipping Android, including Flagship Android. And judging by the Qualcomm roadmap, this will likely remain the same in 2021 as well. Citation please?

Qualcomm uses off-the-shelf Arm Cortex-A series cores. Arm has promised between 15-25% CAGR for next generation high end cores [0]. The A13 has ~35% better fp perf and ~50% better int perf than the Qualcomm’s latest flagship, the Snapdragon 865, which uses Arm Cortex-A77 cores [1].

So assuming best case scenario for Arm perf growth and Apple remaining completely stagnant, Qualcomm would catch up in 2 years.

More realistically though, the A14 is rumored to be quite the upgrade. At least more significant a change than the A13. And Arm won’t have a very competitive design until they release their Matterhorn core 2 generations from now, where they’re rumored to finally scale up the physical size.

[0]: https://www.anandtech.com/show/13226/arm-unveils-client-cpu-...

[1]: https://www.anandtech.com/show/15603/the-samsung-galaxy-s20-...

Re: New iPhone SE

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Post by szatkus »

ksec wrote: post #854

1163 Comment right now, ~800 Are about Size of Devices. I thought there was another important point. The current entry level iPhone; iPhone SE 2020 with A13 is now faster in Single Threaded performance than ALL current shipping Android, including Flagship Android. And judging by the Qualcomm roadmap, this will likely remain the same in 2021 as well. This is important if you are doing or using Web Apps like Discourse…

$399 isn't really entry-level.

Re: New iPhone SE

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Post by soapdog »

in all this talk about form-factor and sizes, the two most comfortable phones I ever used, in terms of their physical feel in my hand, were the palm pre2 and pre3. They felt like a little river pebble that was warm to the touch. I wish companies would go back to small phones that feel good in your hand.

Re: New iPhone SE

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Post by srg0 »

A $300 (EUR500) phone in 2020, and its screen resolution is 750 x 1334 (according to GSMArena, because Apple doesn't mention it). Sadly, that's not enough to watch FullHD videos. An attractive form-factor aside, weird resolution of the lower-tier iPhones (XR, 11, SE 2020) is a non-starter for me.

Re: New iPhone SE

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Post by globular-toast »

andrepd wrote: post #214

I was itching for this announcement, not because I want to buy an iPhone, but because this will finally mean other manufacturers will start to make compact phones. It drives me up the wall that I simply cannot find a reasonably competent phone (i.e. mid/upper range from the past 4 years) which is not absolutely fucking huge. It's insane that the "phablet" standard from ~5 years ago is now not even the new standard, b…

Sony has been the only company doing them, but the Z3 Compact was the last great one. I have an X Compact now and it's not as good. I've never had a big phone. One of the main reasons for getting a smartphone for me was the favourable size (easier to fit in pocket). The huge ones have no advantage. I use my PC for a big screen.

Re: New iPhone SE

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Post by globular-toast »

srg0 wrote: post #906

A $300 (EUR500) phone in 2020, and its screen resolution is 750 x 1334 (according to GSMArena, because Apple doesn't mention it). Sadly, that's not enough to watch FullHD videos. An attractive form-factor aside, weird resolution of the lower-tier iPhones (XR, 11, SE 2020) is a non-starter for me.

It's a small screen and that's a normal resolution. You need to look at pixel size, not number of pixels. You wouldn't be able to see "full HD" detail on a 4.7" screen.

Re: New iPhone SE

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Post by roenxi »

mettamage wrote: post #875
justinator wrote: post #858

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1163 Comment right now, ~800 Are about Size of Devices. I thought there was another important point. I'm surprised about 1100+ comments, since this is, you know: just another phone

No it's not. The HN crowd has a vocal group of people who advocate for phones like the iPhone SE. The main complaint of this group is that other phones are too big. So a new release of the SE brings a lot of hope for extending that experience. The fact that this phone is bigger doesn't sit well with this vocal minority, because they want a small smartphone and now see that medium is the only available in stock. Expec…

A solid summary, and here is one other point that helps explain the passion:

2006: Smartphones were boring.

2007-2010: Smartphones become magical. The pinnacle, or close to, of the 3.5 inch phone is developed in the iPhone 4.

2010+: Phones smaller than 4.5 inches disappear; by the same magic that they used to appear.

For the people who want a 3.5 to 4 inch phone, such as myself, paradise was basically snatched away. I know they can make them, I know they run every app I care about, and they are no longer available for purchase. I want an iPhone 4. I'd settle for an iPhone 5 or similar form factor. Instead they've disappeared and best-case is maybe there is some Android phone that has the right dimensions and is probably poorly fabricated because it is targeting people on a budget.

The issue isn't even entitlement, it that the form factor situation is backsliding from where it was when I was happiest. It is infuriating.

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