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Apple Engineers Its Own Downfall with the Macbook Pro Keyboard

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Re: Apple Engineers Its Own Downfall with the Macbook Pro Keyboard

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Post by arprocter »

mediocrejoker wrote: post #775
Pigo wrote: post #708

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I have to know if this story is gaining traction because of the Joe Rogan podcast. Did you see his hour long rant on abandoning Apple because of this yesterday? Or is everyone simultaneously reaching this same conclusion? He was very much a kool-aid drinker, but also a writer, so the keyboard is apparently a huge deal to him. I've basically never owned an Apple product so I'm just watching this from an outsiders pers…

Do you know which episode this was?

He mentioned it early on in the most recent one with Duncan Trussell #1137

Re: Apple Engineers Its Own Downfall with the Macbook Pro Keyboard

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Post by pedrocr »

pjlegato wrote: post #835
pedrocr wrote: post #507

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This is trivial to fix actually. Ubuntu 16.04 had "fractional" scaling by default but in reality all it did was between 1x and 2x use 1x with larger fonts. 18.04 lost that with the gnome transition but you can just change the font scaling manually. Less convenient and polished but still there in the tweak tool. Firefox also includes a scaling option in the configs. With those two settings my T460s with the 2560x1440…

This, right here, is an excellent case-in-point illustration of the reason Linux isn't widely used on laptops: even on expensive, high end hardware with excellent Linux support, and the most popular distribution, very basic functionality like screen resolution not only doesn't "just work" out of the box -- getting it to work properly at all requires serendipitously stumbling across a random forum post somewhere that…

Googling for the issue would get you the source where I got it from, so it's not as bad as you claim. And up to 16.04 the last few years of Ubuntu LTS releases have been smooth sailing in my experience. In 18.04 they did a transition into GNOME3 as the default and that's still showing the issues that showed up. Unity was actually quite polished and functional.

But let's not blow this out of proportion. It's not like Apple has not had plenty of QA issues with OSX lately. But I agree Linux desktop QA could use some more resources. Unfortunately it seems the Ubuntu desktop/mobile push is mostly over and they're now focusing on server/container where Linux has been great for a long time already. And since volunteers always prefer writing new shiny stuff than spending time doing QA the Linux desktop will probably never be extremely polished. I do find it much better than Windows and comparable or better than OSX in actual functionality for us technical types but your mileage may vary.

Re: Apple Engineers Its Own Downfall with the Macbook Pro Keyboard

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Post by pc86 »

yellowapple wrote: post #818
pc86 wrote: post #655

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Or the alternative, paying attention.

If the meeting was worthwhile, we wouldn't feel the need to check emails during said meeting ;)

My point stands, just decline the meeting.

Re: Apple Engineers Its Own Downfall with the Macbook Pro Keyboard

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Post by Pigo »

arprocter wrote: post #901
mediocrejoker wrote: post #775

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Do you know which episode this was?

He mentioned it early on in the most recent one with Duncan Trussell #1137

Yeah, it's like the intro to their conversation https://youtu.be/SIwSXODoJuU

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Post by coreypreston »

eecc wrote: post #897
fhood wrote: post #749

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Literally praying that they fix this crap in the next update. My mbp is getting on in years, and if they don't do something I'm going to move to linux for my next machine.

Amen. I'm using a company issued "new" MBP and oh! do I loathe it! Have been repeatedly one click away from buying a Carbon X1 for little more than half what an MBP would cost. Seriously, Apple... don't underestimate the domino effect, my home looks like an Apple Store but once I begin "fiddling around" to make something else work and it eventually does, there's no more incentive to remain inside your Gilded Enclosur…

I have a carbon X1 and would have preferred to keep my 2013 macbook air. Then again my X1 is gen 1.

Windows just seems to be garbage with multi-tasking, specifically I miss the gestures.

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Post by cptskippy »

EpicEng wrote: post #853
Brian_K_White wrote: post #806

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I had a full touch screen, color, icon grid of 3rd party apps, internet enabled, smart phone in 2001. Samsung SPH-i300 I had multiple web browsers, email, irc client, telnet and ssh clients, and an open marketplace of thousands of 3rd party apps for every oddball purpose, like I had a resistor color decoder, netmask calculator, etc. 2001. iphone came out in 2007, and had no 3rd party apps.

You forget to mention that it was utter garbage in comparison.

It was also 6 years old when the iPhone came out. Most 6 year old devices are utter garbage compared to their contemporaries.

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Post by yellowapple »

pc86 wrote: post #903
yellowapple wrote: post #818

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If the meeting was worthwhile, we wouldn't feel the need to check emails during said meeting ;)

My point stands, just decline the meeting.

"just decline the meeting"

Not always possible for... political reasons.

Re: Apple Engineers Its Own Downfall with the Macbook Pro Keyboard

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Post by jjtheblunt »

dleslie wrote: post #252

I like machines that are built to take a beating. My penultimate laptop was an HP Mini 101; I only replaced it on a whim, and still use it from time to time. The keys have been worn to be smooth, concave and most are missing the printed text. When I last opened it up to add an SSD a suprising amount of sand came pouring out; having been taken to many beaches, tossed in bags, and generally used outdoors it had accumul…

How can that be, that all you mentioned cost less than a low end macbook, for instance?

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Post by yellowapple »

jmmcd wrote: post #832
yellowapple wrote: post #816

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This is my new favorite euphemism for death. "Deceased" just sounds boring. "Defunct" has a certain weight to it.

How about "obsolete"? "Deprecated"? "No longer supported on this hardware"?

Nah, those all imply that he's still alive but prone to malfunction at any time.
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