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Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

jmde wrote: post #826
masondixon wrote: post #575

A huge issue today is the lack of calm, reasoned debate. As a Trump supporter I have never been able to properly explain the rationale to a liberal. I believe there is a worthy debate beneath all the political smear, but it is never reached. I believe the reason for this is the liberal media and the incredibly effective Democratic party election machine. The argument stays at the high level of "how could you vote for…

So, I'll try to respond as someone who voted in support of Johnson, and can get the appeal of Trump as well as the Clinton, as well as visceral hatred of either. I get that huge swaths of the electorate feel like this system hasn't been working, and that' it's all manipulated by career political insiders who have their own brand of benevolent authoritarianism. I get the distrust of a liberal culture that overvalues i…

I'll add my two cents.

I could not in good conscience vote for either Trump or Hillary. Both were appalling candidates.

Why was Clinton appalling? 25 years of scandals. DNC biasing the primary in her direction. The email server. (I've worked in internet security; that was a horrible decision. It was also completely against policy, which gave the impression that she thought rules were for other people. And it at least looked like she did it to avoid any emails coming home to haunt her presidential run.) The Clinton Foundation at least gave the appearance of "pay for play".

Also, she was very much the establishment candidate. In an election where many people were extremely dis-satisfied with the status quo, that was fatal.

My impression is that some people genuinely bought Trump's message - but not enough of them to win the election. There were a large number of "not Hillary" voters who put Trump over the top. That doesn't make them "pro Trump", it makes them "anti Hillary".

Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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Post by glenndebacker »

Chris2048 wrote: post #845
glenndebacker wrote: post #802

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"We are called racist, but no one is racist. We are called xenophobic, but all we are asking for is that the laws are upheld." I can't comment for the States as I live in Europe... but 99% of the big vocal trump supporters at this side of the ocean are racist and xenophobic like there is no tomorrow. In this country the only political trump supporters are the ones that has historic ties with the nazi's. That the most…

I live in "Europe" as well, and don't see that "99%" > In this country the only political trump supporters are the ones that has historic ties with the nazi's That all racists support trump is not the same as all trump supporters are racists. Can you provide more evidence that "the only political trump supporters" are racist? It's not "telling" if it not true. > that is fact ...

No with big I meant politicians (the le pens, the wilders, the farages, ...) it's my fault I could have chosen my words better.

The only political parties that seem to be happy are the extreme right wing parties, that's was what I'm trying to say although very poor :-/

Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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Post by dplgk »

BurningFrog wrote: post #669

Relevant column: "I don't see a moral obligation for anyone to serve in a Trump administration. But people who opposed Donald Trump, on both the left and right, should commit right now to one thing: We will not tar good people for joining the Trump administration. Their motives will not be questioned, and if things do turn out as some of his critics fear, the people in his foreign and domestic policy apparatus will n…

>> We will not tar good people for joining the Trump administration.

>> Their motives will not be questioned,

>> [They] will not suffer guilt by association.

Really? I'll do whatever the hell I want. It's perfectly reasonable to blame the enablers and question why they would associate with and help a person who has said and done such heinous things.

Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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Post by oldmanjay »

anigbrowl wrote: post #882
maratd wrote: post #833

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> We judge him for how and why he pitches in You have no idea how or why he's pitching in. You have very limited information on that front and judging him based on that is silly. It seems far more likely everything that was said and done was simply to get his foot in the door. You have no idea what his intentions are.

I do.

Do you know because you know Thiel or do you know because you're a Jedi and you searched your feelings?

Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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Post by empath75 »

masondixon wrote: post #710
robinwarren wrote: post #598

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Why not have a go here, I'd be interested to hear your rationale. On a less important note, re the argument being at a level of "how could you vote for someone who said that". That may not be people refusing to engage with what you see as the important points, but them focusing on what they see as the most important points. That doesn't make it right but if it is the case you may do well to understand their point of…

> they may see everything else as somewhat irrelevant Yep. But this is what made everyone miss what was happening. It was an emotional response. But in this case Clinton provided so many analogous examples, which were ignored, which is just plain bias. As bad as someone is you always have to ask: could the same be said as my candidate? And with Hillary is was a yes on everything. It was always a question of "How coul…

I agree that Hillary is corrupt. Trump is also going to be corrupt, and is already corrupt. I'm not sure what you gained here.

Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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Post by carapace »

Chris2048 wrote: post #894
carapace wrote: post #782

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Look, it's not rocket science: Tolerant of | Tolerance | Yes Intolerant of | Tolerance | No Tolerant of | Intolerance | No Intolerant of | Intolerance | Yes It's a little nicer as a 2x2 table, but whatever.

"hold different opinions from oneself" is subjectively tolerance/intolerance. This table exploits word games, because the first column is "in/tolerant to hearing the opions of", and the second is "holds opinions I believe to be exclusive to a special sub-community of society". You cannot correctly come to a decision about the latter, without listening, which requires the former.

You are reading into this big league.

Are you familiar with "point-free style"? (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacit_programming) The above crude table should be read as given: point-free. I don't care about the subject of [in]tolerance even slightly (opinions, smells, beliefs, quasi-scientific theories, what-have-you).

If you are tolerant I will tolerate you, if you are intolerant go screw.

"It's so simple!"

Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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Post by Chris2048 »

carapace wrote: post #906
Chris2048 wrote: post #894

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"hold different opinions from oneself" is subjectively tolerance/intolerance. This table exploits word games, because the first column is "in/tolerant to hearing the opions of", and the second is "holds opinions I believe to be exclusive to a special sub-community of society". You cannot correctly come to a decision about the latter, without listening, which requires the former.

You are reading into this big league. Are you familiar with "point-free style"? ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacit_programming ) The above crude table should be read as given: point-free. I don't care about the subject of [in]tolerance even slightly (opinions, smells, beliefs, quasi-scientific theories, what-have-you). If you are tolerant I will tolerate you, if you are intolerant go screw. "It's so simple!"

> If you are tolerant I will tolerate you, if you are intolerant go screw.

Of course the subject is relevant. "if you are intolerant go screw" - does that mean you are intolerant?

Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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Post by daxorid »

tptacek wrote: post #839
mch82 wrote: post #838

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Is Joe Arpaio really the suggested option for DHS?

Yes. The transition team has floated his name. Another name is David Clarke, who thinks we should outlaw Black Lives Matter. These are all trial balloons, of course. I hope they're just posturing, and that we're going to get people in the vein of John Ashcroft --- wrong (very wrong), but within normal parameters.

Meanwhile, those of us who elected him did so based largely on his policy promises, including immigration.

So if he wishes to appease his electorate, this better not be mere posturing, and he absolutely should select Arpaio, a man eminently qualified to preside over the operations of ICE and other DHS functions.

Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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Post by sctb »

gone35 wrote: post #458
edblarney wrote: post #231

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"Lots of individuals who Trump "owes" through either money or support they provided to him; pure cronyism." Trump is the most 'free' President in modern history. He 'owes' the least, to the fewest people. This is one thing even the center-left press were talking about. As for Thiel - $1M might seem like a lot - but Trump doesn't really 'owe' Thiel anything, because Thiel doesn't have direct future influence etc., and…

Trump is the most 'free' President in modern history. He 'owes' the least, to the fewest people. How do you know? Have you actually operationalized it with a quantifiable measure? Can you actually back up your claim with actual, verifiable data? No? Then get the fuck out .

> Then get the fuck out.

You can't behave like this to other community members on Hacker News. It's difficult to maintain civil discourse on controversial topics, but nevertheless it's what this site is for so we have to ban accounts that won't follow the guidelines.

Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team

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Post by infinite8s »

edblarney wrote: post #522
gone35 wrote: post #458

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trump is the most 'free' President in modern history. He 'owes' the least, to the fewest people. How do you know? Have you actually operationalized it with a quantifiable measure? Can you actually back up your claim with actual, verifiable data? No? Then get the fuck out .

Donald Trump does not have a 'Global Pac' wherein he was accepting money from thousands of foreign business people, and governments. Donald Trump was not on the speaking circuit for the last few years, taking cheques from hedge funds and large banks. Donald Trump received no endorsements from newspapers, and most of his party failed to endorse him. Donald Trump own party apparatus worked against him. Campaign contrib…

Except no one knows who he's beholden to in his personal dealings, and he has effectively said that he will not place Trump Enterprises into a blind trust.
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