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#901

Now that the voices of the disenfranchised blue collar workers have been heard, what actually can be done to help them? I'm less worried about the accusations of racism, etc. because it appears to me a majority are voting because their livelihoods have been lost and, despite economics saying globalization will bring new jobs, they aren't showing up in the critical areas where they are needed. So, what policies can be…

Is this a policy problem?

I'd entertain a discussion that it was a policy problem and we should have had plans as we engaged in freer trade and globalization and saw imports starting to eat away at these jobs.

I don't think there is a policy to put the genie back in the bottle now and I don't think these people want anything else but that. (to speak in gross generalizations)

The old school manufacturing base provided jobs where a single earner with no notable education could buy a home, raise a family, maybe send his kids to college. And he had a union. It's hard to imagine it being that way ever again. You can re-train them but they aren't going to just become knowledge workers; worse they have to want retraining and this election sure didn't make it sound like they want that..

Capitalism and competition can be rough. Ways of life, jobs, ways of doing things, products, all that stuff can go away with ruthless efficiency in a free market.

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post #227

It looks like Clinton has won the majority of votes: http://www.nytimes.com/elections/forecast/president The USA electoral system is really crazy.

On the contrary. If it weren't for the electoral college, we'd be governed, in effect, by a handful of coastal mega-cities. Whole states would have a voice equivalent to a rounding error.

The Presidency wasn't intended to be democratic - that's what the House of Representatives is for. Moreover, the Presidency has less power than people work themselves up to believe.

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#903
post #298

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> both sides can leave behind the incessant name calling and hate that's plagued this election Trump ran his campaign on incessant name calling and hate. If you voted for him, that means you're OK with letting the incessant name calling and hate continue.

Weird that 99% of the incessant name calling and hate comes from my liberal friends who believe that all Trump supporters are racist xenophobes

Reality has a well-known liberal bias.

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What can Silicon Valley do to make America great again?

- There will be higher tariffs for China imports. The US needs to make more of its own stuff. Start planning on moving manufacturing to the US for sales in the US. Don't use Shentzen as much. Plan on exporting to China, and expect some help from the Government if China's government gives you problems. The US needs to get its imports and exports balanced.

- The wall will be built. It will need sensors. The IoT crowd needs to develop better sensors than the overpriced crappy ones from the last attempt in that direction.

- Better detection of illegal aliens is necessary. One of the biggest source of illegal immigrants is visa overstayers. For those, pictures are available from when they entered the US. Social media must be searched for them. Surveillance cameras need to be connected to cloud systems which recognize them. Police cars need very high definition cameras and face recognition to find those people so they can be deported. Deep learning systems will be needed to decide if a likely face match is worth investigation. With good automation, people will only be hassled once. Then they're either known as legal or on their way to deportation.

- E-Verify, the online system for verifying eligibility to work in the US, needs to be made available as a mobile app for employers. Pictures of documents, faces, and fingerprints should be used rather than typing in info. It should be possible to onboard a new hire in less than a minute.

- The immigration system is too paper-oriented and too slow. It needs to be online and fast. This will speed up deportations.

- Labor-intensive operations in farming need to be automated. The technology exists for automated picking of most fruits and vegetables, but the demo-level hardware is too slow, too expensive, and too fragile. That gear needs to be brought up to production level. Look for financing for farmers from the Department of Agriculture. This will reduce demand for low-paid illegals.

- Commercial cleaning needs to be automated. The Roomba was just the first step. There's still no good commercial-grade floor cleaning robot. The janitor industry is ready for a major downsizing.

There are opportunities here waiting to be seized. Get busy!

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Well this would be scary if modern Presidents were the ones actually running things. They are part of a system which has more power over them than the other way around. Before down voting me, please take the time to reply instead, I would prefer your written feedback.

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#906
I see a lot of comment saying "the USA cannot do this x,y,z because we don't have oil money to back it". USA is in the top three oil producers now at 10 million barrels a day. Yes even that won't cover the total cost for free health care or free education, but that is still a huge amount of money. More importantly, the amount of money the US government has wasted could have paid for the above. Trillions of dollars have been burned on Quantitative Easing and other ridiculous stimulus. And the result was over capacity in oil production and debt that can never be repaid. Instead of hundreds of billions burned, the US government could have given every unemployed individual a whole new education.

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

#907

What can Silicon Valley do to make America great again? - There will be higher tariffs for China imports. The US needs to make more of its own stuff. Start planning on moving manufacturing to the US for sales in the US. Don't use Shentzen as much. Plan on exporting to China, and expect some help from the Government if China's government gives you problems. The US needs to get its imports and exports balanced. - The w…

I can't tell whether this is sarcastic or not. Either way the focus on illegal immigration is disconcerting.

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#909

My takeaway from this is that our strategy of "shaming" people into voting a certain way doesn't work. Exit polls seem to suggest that plenty of people understated their support for Trump because they were embarrassed to admit they voted for him. But they still did. In effect, you don't stop people from supporting racism, homophobia, or misogyny by calling attention to it. That only makes them support it quietly. You…

Of course you can. Trump ended up winning fewer votes than Romney and McCain. The shame directed towards those that supported him publicly, I would argue, was very directly reflected in his vote totals.

But you need more than that, you need an inspiring alternative. Telling a bunch of destitute, hopeless rust belt voters that free trade was good, their Obamacare premiums were increasing, a $15 minimum wage and free college tuition was bad, and America was already great didn't motivate them to go to the polls nearly enough. Should be unsurprising, in retrospect.

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post #70

As someone who's actively vocalized his support for Trump in the past, both here[1] and in my meat space life, I'm ecstatic with the results of this election. Not just the POTUS, but the trifecta of the house and senate as well. That's as loud of a mandate as can be expected from a strongly divided country. On top of all that, with the SCOTUS picks that are expected in the next few years, this election is going to be…

Don't think that is possible. If I was a democrat today I'd do like the Republicans have been doing the last 8 years and do my outmost to make the Trump Presidency be a major failure. The way the republicans have played this game is so dirty, that you can't expect people to forgive. We can not reward such a divisive character like Donald Trump with his racism, xenophobia, mysogny, insults and bullying with a successf…

> Honestly I think the democrats should do the best the sabotage him and make sure everything he does fails.

I don't think this is necessary. With Obama, his policies were ultimately shaped, designed and compromised to benefit centrist to left-leaning voters, and so he was sharply opposed by the right and extreme right. With Trump, his policies will be ultimately shaped, designed and compromised to benefit Trump, so it is far from clear that this will give advantage to any class of voter at all.

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