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Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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I don't understand how people can seriously claim that these are "current dominant themes". I studied at UC Berkeley, one of the liberal capitals of California. Most of my friends are Berkeley students. Most of my friends are feminists . There's practically no hostility (as you put it) towards white, heterosexual males in these circles. I have never been personally attacked or felt uncomfortable. Most of the discussi…

Did you not read the article? It says they can't even interview white candidates for jobs.

Where does it say they can't interview white candidates for jobs?

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

#902

Hold on. Before we make judgment based solely on mentioning race in a slide. I highly recommend reading Nicole Sanchez's full take on the issue here: http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/columnist/2015/02/12/wome...

Again another diversity piece that claims that trans people are somehow "locked out" of tech. I've seen no evidence for this, and in fact some evidence for the opposite - that they're overrepresented. That makes sense, I would expect trans people to find it easier to work as a programmer than say, a construction worker or any kind of customer-facing job.

But trans people are kind of invisible, both (usually) statistically and (sometimes) passing so well that they are not known to be trans. With other minorities the situation is more clear-cut and obvious. I hope at least no-one will pretend that Asians are not overrepresented in Silicon Valley relative to population.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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It seems that many posters here believe that it is okay to discriminate against white men because they enjoy "white privilege," whatever that is. There are those who believe that it is okay to discriminate on the basis of skin color and those who do not. The former are called racists, attempts to redefine the term notwithstanding. What I find most interesting is that the comments about white men are roughly equivalen…

The claim is not that white people are overrepresented because of devious trickery, but because white people are usually doing the hiring and they are often biased, consciously or unconsciously, against non-white people, and women.

It's not something that's exclusive to white people, by the way. Racial and religious nepotism should be resisted wherever and whenever it occurs, in favour of meritocracy.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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It seems that a large number of posters believe that discriminating against white men is okay because they enjoy "white privilege", whatever that is. Either you believe it is okay to discriminate against someone on the basis of their skin color or you don't. Attempts to redefine the word notwithstanding, those who subscribe to the former philosophy are known as racists. It is hard to distinguish the anti-white vitrio…

> Either you believe it is okay to discriminate against someone on the basis of their skin color or you don't. In most anti-discrimination policy discussions, the question being asked is not what colour ones skin is. It is whether the person belongs to an identifiable group that has suffered systemic prejudice. The ordinary intention of anti-discrimination is to rectify past and prevent future wrongs, and in particul…

So you're telling me that it's okay to tell someone, X, from group A that they are being disadvantaged in favor of someone else, Y, from group B because Y belongs to group B and because years ago someone, M, from group A unrelated to X disadvantaged someone, N, from group B unrelated to Y. How is this right? X isn't responsible for any wrongdoing committed by M or others like M, so why should X suffer the consequences?

It's fine to rectify past wrongs when X is responsible for the past wrongs, but guilt by identity association with M is absurd. I'm mixed-race mostly caucasian that immigrated to the US from South America in the 1980s but look vanilla white to most. Please explain to me what past wrong me and others like me are guilty of here?

I am aware and fully understand the purpose and anticipated benefit/impact. A question worth asking is if those that propose a "formula that rectifies past wrongs and undoes futures ones" understand how that formula will produce present wrongs and foster unintended future ones? After all, the road to hell is paved with good intentions[0]. You're merely converting one system with inherent biases for another with inherent biases. That is a non-solution the problem[1] you purport to fix.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_road_to_hell_is_paved_with...

[1] http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=problem

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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post #901

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Did you not read the article? It says they can't even interview white candidates for jobs.

Where does it say they can't interview white candidates for jobs?

Quote "While their efforts are admirable it is very hard to even interview people who are 'white' which makes things challenging," this person said."

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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GitLab is pretty nice and auto-imports from GitHub!

Meh, I think we need to fork github. Gitlab supports the same nonsense github does.

What nonsense are you blathering? Github isn't open source so you can't fork it. Meanwhile there are lots of other GitHub-a-likes out there - Gitlab is only one of them. So if you don't like Gitlab either, there are other choices.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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> The argument that white people are being discriminated against based on a formula that rectifies past wrongs and undoes future ones belies a misunderstanding of the purpose, benefit, and impact. That's perfectly absurd. Discrimination is discrimination is discrimination. How do we measure wrongs? How do we "undo future wrongs"? I can't. Totally cannot. 100% can't deal with your argument.

> I can't. Totally cannot. 100% can't deal with your argument. I find it telling that you think it is my argument. What I wrote is neither mine nor an argument. It is a description of a theory. > Discrimination is discrimination is discrimination. Not all discriminations are equal. To argue that all discrimination is discrimination is to give equivalence to police murdering for traffic violations and being denied the…

That same society at a different time determined slavery, jim crow laws and other prejudicial treatments were once okay just as it did affirmative action. An appeal to authority or populism doesn't make it good or right. It merely makes it lawful and/or socially acceptable.

There are many widely published and peer reviewed theories that turned out to be wrong after implementing them and empirically seeing that they are imperfect. There are scientific theories and there are non-scientific theories and the one you've put forth is squarely in the camp of non-scientific theory, which typically are hypotheses that lack the ability to be disproved.

I would like to think we can do better than replacing one system of prejudices with another. We've seen the pendulum swing both ways enough time now to better predict where the ideas contributing to momentum of the pendulum will lead to an over-correction and novel injustices.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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The content in this article is disgusting and despicable. I will be moving my code from GitHub as soon as possible.

Will you be moving to Google Code? /s

It's not like Github and Google Code are the only two choices. (Of course, Google Code isn't a choice, as it's shutting down.)

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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I've been seeing this discussion a lot lately, particularly in the publishing world. 79% of editors are white and 78% are women [1], so the statement has validity at least when talking about the gatekeepers of what stories get to be told. Marlon James recently posted about his experiences with it [2] and many writers of color have since shared similar experiences. My take is that it's not "us vs them", but a need to…

I don't really understand this. I've published books. It isn't particularly difficult or expensive, any printer can do it. If any group feels their books are being overlooked, they can start a publishing company with little difficulty. If they are correct, their company will make a nice profit for them.

I think there's a big difference between just getting your book printed and getting anyone to read it. It's all about the distribution and marketing.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

#910

> With plenty of competitors, including Atlassian, GitLab, and even Google, one thing is certain: If GitHub does stumble, there are plenty of companies that want to pick up its slack. Atlassian? Oh god. Their software might be ideal for corporate beancounters and expensive consultants, but for everyone else it's a nightmare. GitLab? A pile of memory leaks and other weirdness. Google? Not so much, I highly doubt they'…

I've heard a lot of people complaining about JIRA and so on, but I've never really understood why they hate it. Sure, it's closed source, but so is GitHub, and people seem to like that (this discussion notwithstanding).
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