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Driving for Uber as an Iraq War Vet

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Re: Driving for Uber as an Iraq War Vet

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Some background to this: the author, Colby Buzzell, is/was famous for his blog "My War" written while we was serving in Iraq. It was compelling reading to say the least, for example "Men in Black": https://web.archive.org/web/20041206093944/http://cbftw.blog...

Semi-related, this reminds me of a friend-of-a-friend at the time who was in Iraq. He also had a gift for both writing and photography, though I don't think he ever achieved success of either. Here's a rather horrific photographic post from the time about the results of some of the ammunition used: http://lafinjack.livejournal.com/41715.html

His blog from that time period is both fascinating and horrifying in both pictures and stories.

Re: Driving for Uber as an Iraq War Vet

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Sorry, but as an Iraq veteran myself I am getting tired of Veteran whining. Yes, we have significant issues and yes the VA and all the parties need to do a better job taking care of us. It took me 9 months alone to get my disability rating and VA benefits card - and many wait much longer - which is time that they aren't getting treatment. The broader population only know about these issues through Jon Stewart or from…

I agree with your statement. I think the clamoring for entitlements and awareness is driven by veterans advocacy groups, not the veteran community as a whole. In my opinion, it's a reaction to the neglect and apathy that veterans of previous wars experienced, most recently the Vietnam War. (If you want to be depressed, read about the maltreatment of WW1 vets in the US.) The veterans groups fight for entitlements because they believe they are subject to revocation as soon as awareness drops.

Through the lens of being a veteran, I find most of it to be overblown, though in the case of the author I think it's perhaps somewhat justified. However, he should admit that his issues aren't systemic; they're personal. His issues are 99% due to psychological issues from his combat service, not a tech-industry imposed Jim Crow Era (the Driving Miss Daisy comment in the article).

I don't think I'd ever comment on a CIB on display, it seems about as appropriate as the proverbial ignorant question, "Did you kill anybody?"

A good half of my friends who returned from combat had significant difficulty fitting into normal American life, and experienced psychological and relationship issues. I wish veterans groups would focus their rhetoric on that specific problem. Pay for servicemembers has increased far beyond parity with civilian jobs for the vast majority of occupational specialties, the Post-9/11 GI Bill truly solves the post-service employment training issue, and the stigma of being a veteran is essentially nonexistent. The hard problem that needs to be focused on is the significant therapy and rehabilitation need for the minority of veterans who actually were in combat.

What gets me is that he's whining about his raw deal as a veteran (pysch issues aside, is nonexistent), but he fails to accept responsibility for his life choices of 1) graduating (for free) with what I presume is a creative writing degree and failing to take internships, 2) failing to live in an affordable city (what's wrong with living in Oakland or Union City and driving over the Bay Bridge?), and 3) lamenting his lack of money as he wastes it at the bar (presumably in SoMa, and expensive).

The reason for the above is not because he's intentionally avoiding reality, it's because veterans often self-segregate in veterans groups. He lives in the TL because that's where his veterans organization operates (originally for Vietnam War vets with a more dire situation than his). Hopefully now that his Vice article has gotten him some more exposure, he'll have more interaction with non-vets and gain some perspective.

Re: Driving for Uber as an Iraq War Vet

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Sorry, but as an Iraq veteran myself I am getting tired of Veteran whining. Yes, we have significant issues and yes the VA and all the parties need to do a better job taking care of us. It took me 9 months alone to get my disability rating and VA benefits card - and many wait much longer - which is time that they aren't getting treatment. The broader population only know about these issues through Jon Stewart or from…

Just curious. Is the division between civilians and officers different from the division between civilians and enlisted?

My guess is that it's easier for HN to relate to the vets who have college degrees. And the problems faced by enlisted men are completely alien.

Re: Driving for Uber as an Iraq War Vet

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You know what I think every time I see an article like this?

Did you really go to Iraq? Because the Iraq that I saw made me thankful as shit that I basically won the lottery of living in the developed world. Got some first world problems? Who cares. I have a CIB, too. But you know what I hate almost more than anything? People that shim their CIB into a conversation hoping to add more weight to their words.

Life is rough for the vast majority of people on the planet. Take your experiences in hand and be thankful you made it out of that shithole alive.

Re: Driving for Uber as an Iraq War Vet

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post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think about the people who work in fast food chains. Their entire working lives circumscribed by a binder written by people so many levels above them that thinking about it risks vertigo. Decrease labor costs. Increase productivity per worker. Decrease food prices / increase profit with savings. *Footnote: Make working just attractive enough so that people will apply in sufficient numbers I think about what kind of…

When I was a kid, I bought a box of thumb tacks at the dollar store. When I got home and was using them, I suddenly got very sad: I started thinking about the people who assembled the tacks and put them in the boxes. Being naïve at that age I assumed everything was done manually, and I just felt awful about people who spent all day doing this just to sell them at the dollar store - they must be paid pennies!

To me, the perversion is creating a system where it's cheaper for the thumb tack manufacturer to employ people in mindless, repetitive, soul-crushing work (no offense intended to the few people out there who love assembling thumb tacks) than to automate the task.

Minimum wage is afaict a "below this wage a person cannot support themselves" barrier.

But we really don't have a "below this level of boredom a human shouldn't be doing the job" metric. (And moreover, I'd cynically quip that it's probably in capital owners' interests to ensure that never happens, thus affording them a cheaper alternative to investing in automation -- even if the price is a substantial portion of a person's life)

Re: Driving for Uber as an Iraq War Vet

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Sorry, but as an Iraq veteran myself I am getting tired of Veteran whining. Yes, we have significant issues and yes the VA and all the parties need to do a better job taking care of us. It took me 9 months alone to get my disability rating and VA benefits card - and many wait much longer - which is time that they aren't getting treatment. The broader population only know about these issues through Jon Stewart or from…

Just curious. Is the division between civilians and officers different from the division between civilians and enlisted? My guess is that it's easier for HN to relate to the vets who have college degrees. And the problems faced by enlisted men are completely alien.

A civilian is someone who is not a uniformed member of the Armed services. There are civilians who work for the branches of the military (Army, Navy, Marines, Air Force) but they do not (typically) wear the military uniform, do not (typically) fall under the Uniform Code of Military Justice, get paid on a different scale and have different legal standing.

Commissioned officers and Enlisted members are two sides of the same coin. Commissioned officers are formally appointed by the president and have certain constitutional provisions applied to them. Junior enlisted members and non-commissioned officers do not have the same constitutional charter. In practice these differences range from marginal to extreme in terms of how the groups interact with each other and the general public.

Interestingly enough, the amount of enlisted and non-commissioned officers with college degrees has never been higher, so it's not really that much of a differentiation anymore. It is however increasingly common with commissioned officers that they will have pursued a masters degree within 6-7 years of commissioning.

Re: Driving for Uber as an Iraq War Vet

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Sorry, but as an Iraq veteran myself I am getting tired of Veteran whining. Yes, we have significant issues and yes the VA and all the parties need to do a better job taking care of us. It took me 9 months alone to get my disability rating and VA benefits card - and many wait much longer - which is time that they aren't getting treatment. The broader population only know about these issues through Jon Stewart or from…

I agree with your statement. I think the clamoring for entitlements and awareness is driven by veterans advocacy groups, not the veteran community as a whole. In my opinion, it's a reaction to the neglect and apathy that veterans of previous wars experienced, most recently the Vietnam War. (If you want to be depressed, read about the maltreatment of WW1 vets in the US.) The veterans groups fight for entitlements beca…

> I think the clamoring for entitlements and awareness is driven by veterans advocacy groups, not the veteran community as a whole. In my opinion, it's a reaction to the neglect and apathy that veterans of previous wars experienced, most recently the Vietnam War.

I think this is true, but kind of missing the recent "veteran outrage" that has been going on in the community. For example, the stolen valor shaming is totally out of control. It's not illegal to parade around in uniform and claim you were a badass - but there are tons of vets out there making name and shame videos and then plastering them around of people that do, claiming that they will call the cops or that the person will go to jail etc...

Same with the recent "furor" over some people wading into the reflecting pool at the WWII memorial, or some kids playing on the Vietnam memorial.

In my opinion it's taking it too far and burning up all the good feedback and positive relations we have had over the past decade.

That is all under the backdrop of probably the most supportive civilian population in recent history. I can't tell you how often I was thanked for my service or stopped and given thumbs up or free stuff when I was in uniform.

Re: Driving for Uber as an Iraq War Vet

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just curious. Is the division between civilians and officers different from the division between civilians and enlisted? My guess is that it's easier for HN to relate to the vets who have college degrees. And the problems faced by enlisted men are completely alien.

A civilian is someone who is not a uniformed member of the Armed services. There are civilians who work for the branches of the military (Army, Navy, Marines, Air Force) but they do not (typically) wear the military uniform, do not (typically) fall under the Uniform Code of Military Justice, get paid on a different scale and have different legal standing. Commissioned officers and Enlisted members are two sides of th…

Really? I always assumed people needed college degrees to become offers. And enlisted men were ones without.

Also to clarify, I don't mean civilians on a military base. My question is "Is it hard for people like me to relate to enlisted men than the ROTC officers, etc?"

Re: Driving for Uber as an Iraq War Vet

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post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think about the people who work in fast food chains. Their entire working lives circumscribed by a binder written by people so many levels above them that thinking about it risks vertigo. Decrease labor costs. Increase productivity per worker. Decrease food prices / increase profit with savings. *Footnote: Make working just attractive enough so that people will apply in sufficient numbers I think about what kind of…

When I was a kid, I bought a box of thumb tacks at the dollar store. When I got home and was using them, I suddenly got very sad: I started thinking about the people who assembled the tacks and put them in the boxes. Being naïve at that age I assumed everything was done manually, and I just felt awful about people who spent all day doing this just to sell them at the dollar store - they must be paid pennies!

I sometimes watch How Its Made (well, more so it is a show my father loves so it is what is playing when I'm visiting my parents). There is a lot of automation, but there is almost always someone doing some part of the job that looks really repetitive and boring. I get a bit saddened reflecting on what it is like doing something so repetitive for so much of one's life.

Re: Driving for Uber as an Iraq War Vet

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Sorry, but as an Iraq veteran myself I am getting tired of Veteran whining. Yes, we have significant issues and yes the VA and all the parties need to do a better job taking care of us. It took me 9 months alone to get my disability rating and VA benefits card - and many wait much longer - which is time that they aren't getting treatment. The broader population only know about these issues through Jon Stewart or from…

Yikes. Way to betray your brothers who risk their lives for our freedoms. For me, I can only say I'd never have the balls to sign up for the army... These guys do something we can't pay for directly and maintain our standard of living, so we must find other ways to reward them. Certainly when one of them is lonely, I'd hate to think anyone .. especially a fellow veteran, would call it 'whining'.

I feel the same way about teachers, farmers, policemen as well.

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