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What's new in Xcode 7

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Re: What's new in Xcode 7

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Post by donarb »

nothis wrote: post #65
Fargren wrote: post #58

Not even a mention of refactoring tools for Swift? Right now you can't even do a Rename. This was one of the biggest reasons I bought Appcode, actually. And I'm still waiting for either IDE to implement Extract Method. It boggles my mind how little I hear people complain about this. Aren't these basic tools by now?

Wait, you can't auto-rename stuff? I noticed in an older version of XCode (when I still bothered), that there were really basic refactoring tools missing for C++, but I assumed that was just because Apple hates C++. Apple obviously doesn't hate Swift. I guess Apple just hates refactoring. Why though?

Most likely Apple is still working out the internals of the Swift compiler. Refactoring requires a thorough knowledge of code paths and object lifetimes.

Once Swift 2 is nailed down, I'm sure refactoring will follow.

Re: What's new in Xcode 7

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Post by 2muchcoffeeman »

chc wrote: post #40
mynameisvlad wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, really, you're comparing paying rent with a $100/yr fee (which now allows you to sign apps across their platforms)? Really? I highly doubt most indie developers even have to make that choice. Finding the $100 a year is not the most impossible task in the world, even for a tiny indie developer. Plus, more than a few apps have added instructions on their download pages to show users how to get around Gatekeeper…

I could afford $100 a month. Affordability is not the point. The point is that Apple will block your app from opening by default unless you pay them a recurring fee, and if not, you must incur additional support burden to teach users how to get around the problem. Yes, lots of apps do post instructions on how to get around it, but lots of apps do all sorts of user-unfriendly things. We Apple users used to make fun of…

As a developer and a user, I more or less like the system. I feel general users get a decent amount of added security without too much hassle.

Thinking of the unsigned applications that I do run, if you know about them, I don't feel it's unreasonable to expect the user to know how to get around the signing.

Re: What's new in Xcode 7

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Post by dep_b »

Am I the only one excited about nil flags and generics support in Objective-C? I think it's really nice to have an NSArray full of MyObjects that is type checked compile time.

Re: What's new in Xcode 7

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Post by Fargren »

donarb wrote: post #91
nothis wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait, you can't auto-rename stuff? I noticed in an older version of XCode (when I still bothered), that there were really basic refactoring tools missing for C++, but I assumed that was just because Apple hates C++. Apple obviously doesn't hate Swift. I guess Apple just hates refactoring. Why though?

Most likely Apple is still working out the internals of the Swift compiler. Refactoring requires a thorough knowledge of code paths and object lifetimes. Once Swift 2 is nailed down, I'm sure refactoring will follow.

Even in Objective-C, the refactorings available are pretty limited and don't always work. You can do Rename and Extract Method. In a few corner cases, Extract method will break. Forget about extracting a variable or a parameter, of pulling a mtehod up toa superclass. Also, the fact that you have Rename but you can't find usages for a variable of method seems to me jsut lazy or ill-thought.

It is a very odd feeling to miss Eclipse, but back when I worked in XCode, that would frequently be how I felt.

Re: What's new in Xcode 7

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Post by mp_mn »

overgard wrote: post #82
Fargren wrote: post #58

Not even a mention of refactoring tools for Swift? Right now you can't even do a Rename. This was one of the biggest reasons I bought Appcode, actually. And I'm still waiting for either IDE to implement Extract Method. It boggles my mind how little I hear people complain about this. Aren't these basic tools by now?

I feel like a lot of basic stuff is broken or non-existent in Xcode. For instance, project text search on my machine freezes up the entire IDE for half an hour, which is ridiculous since A) it's not an unusually large project, and B) it's on an SSD, and it should be running search in a separate thread anyway.. Not to mention last time I used Xcode (6.2) it crashed on me 7 times in the span of an hour on basic things,…

Is your search scope too broad? Too many Pods maybe? I've never had an issue with project text search. The only time I've ever had that many problems in an iOS dev workflow was years ago when I was briefly running OSX through VMWare.

There's something else going on with your environment, it shouldn't be giving you this many problems.

Re: What's new in Xcode 7

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Post by xirdstl »

asendra wrote: post #3
glhaynes wrote: post #2

Unexpected: "Xcode 7 and Swift now make it easier for everyone to build apps and run them directly on their Apple devices. Simply sign in with your Apple ID, and turn your idea into an app that you can touch on your iPad, iPhone, or Apple Watch. Download Xcode 7 beta and try it yourself today. Program membership is not required."

They have also merged both iOS and OS X developer programs under the same roof. 99$/y gives you access to both now.

Maybe this explains the recent bug I experienced where, when attempting to renew my iOS developer program for $99, the system added the Mac developer program to my cart for an additional $99 (which I didn't want).

Re: What's new in Xcode 7

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Post by sangnoir »

kybernetyk wrote: post #76
downandout wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This was the big news IMO. Many would-be developers reside in countries where $99/year is a huge amount of money that cannot be justified until they have a final, working product they are ready to distribute.

Yet those developers somehow can buy a computer for $1000+ and spend an additional $500-$800 on the tablet/phone? :)

> Yet those developers somehow can buy a computer for $1000+ and spend an additional $500-$800 on the tablet/phone? :)[1]

In a word - Yes.

I am a developer from a 3rd world country, and I bought a Mac Mini for $500 (not '$1000+') for the purposes of entering the Apple ecosystem. I'm not going to spend another $500 on an iPhone[2], especially since I'm not sure if it will work out financially. The emulator will have to do (my apoligies to anyone who'll potentially run my apps and encounter bugs I miss because of this).

1. I'm not sure if the smiley is an indicator of sarcasm or not

2. If push comes to shove,I can afford it, but I've already bought the phone I'll use for the next 2-3 years (OnePlus), and I'd rather spend the money on other things - like family.

Re: What's new in Xcode 7

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Post by slm_HN »

Thiz wrote: post #98

Can I use it on my old mac mini 2011 with 2gb ram and Mavericks? I really want to start using Swift. And no, can't upgrade.

I doubt it. The last version of XCode 6 won't run without Yosemite, so I'm guessing 7 will require Yosemite.

Also it's very hard to run with 2gb ram. For example you won't be able to use the iOS emulator because the swapping will take so long XCode will timeout when trying to launch the emulator. It's very painful even with 4gb. 8 is probably the minimum.

Re: What's new in Xcode 7

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Post by rattray »

hueving wrote: post #77
downandout wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This was the big news IMO. Many would-be developers reside in countries where $99/year is a huge amount of money that cannot be justified until they have a final, working product they are ready to distribute.

I think devs that can dump money on apple products but not on the $99/year are a pretty slim slice of the population.

Where do you live?
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