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Re: Tmux has left SourceForge

#91

Post by jjnoakes »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #84
logicallee wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought you were going to show a virus result - the screen you showed is very unambiguously an opt-in screen, it even has the term "Accept" (as opposed to some other word like next or install) making you look at it - if the text said something else you would be very likely to just click it. The button at the left 'skip' is also clear about your other option (if it said 'cancel' it would sound like you're aborting i…

> How can you be any less ambiguous?? // What would be less ambiguous would be when you download an installer for an app then the installer installs that app and doesn't attempt to trick you in to "accept"ing what you think is the initial app install but is in fact an entirely different app. If you really wanted to let them add apps people don't want then at the point of download an unchecked box could have an offer…

> What's your startup?

Extremely distasteful.

Re: Tmux has left SourceForge

#92

Post by pbhjpbhj »

oneeyedpigeon wrote: post #79
logicallee wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought you were going to show a virus result - the screen you showed is very unambiguously an opt-in screen, it even has the term "Accept" (as opposed to some other word like next or install) making you look at it - if the text said something else you would be very likely to just click it. The button at the left 'skip' is also clear about your other option (if it said 'cancel' it would sound like you're aborting i…

This definitely isn't the worst offender out there, but you're judging it on a bunch of subjective criteria; some will agree with you, others will still be 'fooled'. Although Sourceforge isn't probably a very common installation source for unexperienced users, I'm willing to bet at least some will end up there via a search engine. Bear in mind that some people will literally have no idea what 'MacKeeper' etc. is, and…

I actually got caught on one of these from Adobe - I was doing a flash install, that I'd done many times before, and so was on auto-pilot. It's a bit like clicking send on an email and then remembering you needed to add an attachment (thank you Mozilla for attachment reminders!); a split second after clicking I realised that what I'd clicked on was not the normal license or whatever - by that point it's already installing.

Re: Tmux has left SourceForge

#93

Post by rbanffy »

smaili wrote: post #3

Are there any big projects still using SourceForge? I know "big" is a little subjective here, but it seems like most active projects have already migrated.

Not everyone is into retrocomputing, but CDE is huge, if not very active.

Re: Tmux has left SourceForge

#94

Post by pbhjpbhj »

jjnoakes wrote: post #91
pbhjpbhj wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> How can you be any less ambiguous?? // What would be less ambiguous would be when you download an installer for an app then the installer installs that app and doesn't attempt to trick you in to "accept"ing what you think is the initial app install but is in fact an entirely different app. If you really wanted to let them add apps people don't want then at the point of download an unchecked box could have an offer…

> What's your startup? Extremely distasteful.

Their startup or my question, can you explain?

Re: Tmux has left SourceForge

#96

Post by Grue3 »

doiwin wrote: post #30

SourceForge was founded 1999. Now, 16 years later they start to abuse their power. GitHub was launched 2008. Does this mean we can expect GitHub to start abusing our data by 2024?

They already censor anything the Russian government doesn't like. [1]

[1] https://gigaom.com/2014/12/05/github-gives-in-to-russian-cen...

Re: Tmux has left SourceForge

#97

Post by micaeked »

logicallee wrote: post #64
barbs wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't believe you at first, but I just went to install it and...wow... https://imgur.com/a/o6cSW

I thought you were going to show a virus result - the screen you showed is very unambiguously an opt-in screen, it even has the term "Accept" (as opposed to some other word like next or install) making you look at it - if the text said something else you would be very likely to just click it. The button at the left 'skip' is also clear about your other option (if it said 'cancel' it would sound like you're aborting i…

Consider that many software installers ask you to accept terms of service. So, using "Accept" for the button feels very dishonest.

An alternative I would consider "honest"? Hmm... "Support us by installing this bundled software" maybe.

Re: Tmux has left SourceForge

#98

Post by pbhjpbhj »

Grue3 wrote: post #95
pbhjpbhj wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Their startup or my question, can you explain?

It's a completely irrelevant question and not everybody here has a startup.

Their profile states they have one - I checked the profile to see if they were a shill, they mentioned a startup. I think it could be pertinent; I don't see there being harm in asking, they don't have to answer.

Re: Tmux has left SourceForge

#99

Post by TomFrost »

lloeki wrote: post #39
smaili wrote: post #3

Are there any big projects still using SourceForge? I know "big" is a little subjective here, but it seems like most active projects have already migrated.

ScummVM, Inkscape and wkhtmltopdf seem to be hosted there.

ScummVM has been maintained on GitHub for a few years now: https://github.com/scummvm/scummvm

The downloads are still on SF, though. That's unfortunate.

Re: Tmux has left SourceForge

#100

Post by perlgeek »

mapt wrote: post #63
doiwin wrote: post #30

SourceForge was founded 1999. Now, 16 years later they start to abuse their power. GitHub was launched 2008. Does this mean we can expect GitHub to start abusing our data by 2024?

Build a user base with a great free product, abuse that user base for money until it leaves you for some competitor. Build social capital, spend it. The market, on average, doesn't just want profits from a tech company, it wants significant short-term growth in either revenues or userbase, and if the latter reaches saturation the former will occur.

> The market, on average, doesn't just want profits from a tech company, it wants significant short-term growth in either revenues or userbase, and if the latter reaches saturation the former will occur.

Small correction: it's not the "The market" that wants that, its the owner/investors/stock holders that want it.

Which is why I have an easier time trusting a small company owned by its founders, than a big, publicly traded company.

(Iirc github is still privately owned, but they have taken significant investments, so it's somewhere in between).

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