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That all sounds great, but then why is he so upset? It's impossible to reconcile your picture with his. So either (a) he's imagining things, or (b) you're painting over the cracks or can't see them, or (c) the real truth is somewhere inbetween.
Or (d), he thinks one comment is representative of the entire HN community.
user: zedshaw
created: 2224 days ago
karma: 8960
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I think you missed this part: "Apparently you will allow links to be posted repeatedly even after they’ve been voted down if it’s “gratuitously negative” of me, but take anything about one of your shitty startups down immediately. " (Emphasis mine)
I didn't, but I'm presuming a specific mechanism to that, because HN really doesn't have that much moderation (just dang, as far as I know, and previously just pg very part-time.) This might be overly charitable, so correct me if you know more: Probably these YC companies' founders—or, if they've gotten big enough, their social-media people—read HN. They see these things, and then, being wiser-than-most to how HN wor…
This is not correct and has not been correct for the vast majority of HN's existence. There were a number of moderators in the early days, selected by pg, and there are a number of moderators now, presumably selected by dang. And, of course, everyone can contribute to moderating by flagging things that don't belong on HN.
> I hate abusive fucks And yet he's sitting there saying things like "[HN] is a place for men with tiny little mosquito penises". I once heard a piece of advise (by Caitlin Moran): you should never write angrily. You may be angry, but don't write angrily. People tend to react with the same emotions, if you come across angry then people will tend to respond with anger. The guy is obviously angry and upset, but its com…
Sounds like a recipe for the sterile PR speak we're surrounded by. If he's angry, why shouldn't he write angry? And the preoccupation with swearing is just puritanical nonsense.
This is also said in the context of the recent 'blabla no negativity' rule.
Is HN a thing that can be abusive? This is a serious question. Don't say yes or no yet. As far as I understand it: people are abusive. Places, or groups, can only allow for abuse, perhaps systematically, but cannot abuse anyone by themselves. On the other hand, places, or groups, can prevent abuse themselves. (I'll get to that in a moment.) In this case, specific people choose to act badly toward Mr. Shaw, anonymousl…
A site becomes abusive by tolerating abusers. If someone really has it in for zed or pg or whomever, they'll find a way to say it. HN could be more moderated/less tolerant of abuse/disallow throwaways, and those people will just go elsewhere and continue to say what they want.
Personally I think zed is wanting to throw the baby out with the bath water, but that's easy for me to say because I'm not the one getting abused by that video.
Does this guy understand that HN is user-submitted content? It's like reading complaints from an old-man the first time he uses the Internet and comes across something offensive.
Yes, I'm pretty sure that zedshaw, who has been an HN user for much longer than you have, understands how it works. Now why don't you try reading the piece under the assumption that he isn't a moron?
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I think you missed this part: "Apparently you will allow links to be posted repeatedly even after they’ve been voted down if it’s “gratuitously negative” of me, but take anything about one of your shitty startups down immediately. " (Emphasis mine)
I didn't, but I'm presuming a specific mechanism to that, because HN really doesn't have that much moderation (just dang, as far as I know, and previously just pg very part-time.) This might be overly charitable, so correct me if you know more: Probably these YC companies' founders—or, if they've gotten big enough, their social-media people—read HN. They see these things, and then, being wiser-than-most to how HN wor…
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Or (d), he thinks one comment is representative of the entire HN community.
user: zedshaw created: 2224 days ago karma: 8960 Yes, I'm sure he thinks one comment is representative of the entire HN community.
Also, if you read the post it sounds like he's not a very active user. He is likely completely disconnected from how this community works.
Disappointing to see this at 139 points in under an hour (and still going...). It's just a lot of bile. I like Zed when he's talking about software development. I like tptacek when he's talking about cryptography or money or cooking or any of the other several subjects he's reasonably skilled in. I like pg when he's talking about startups. All of them are capable of getting their hackles up, getting in fights, saying…
HN has a severe problem of a lack of civility between people actually here, and that problems gets worse the further away the person being talked about is.
HN is a really unpleasant place to be sometimes. (I know I'm guilty of this sometimes, and I welcome downvotes to steer me)
Disappointing to see this at 139 points in under an hour (and still going...). It's just a lot of bile. I like Zed when he's talking about software development. I like tptacek when he's talking about cryptography or money or cooking or any of the other several subjects he's reasonably skilled in. I like pg when he's talking about startups. All of them are capable of getting their hackles up, getting in fights, saying…
But the bile is mostly correct. HN has a severe problem of a lack of civility between people actually here, and that problems gets worse the further away the person being talked about is. HN is a really unpleasant place to be sometimes. (I know I'm guilty of this sometimes, and I welcome downvotes to steer me)
Really? Where did you get the stats for the average penis size of the HN commenter?
Dear Zed.
For better or worse you've made it; you've become a public figure. Your voice carries weight whose normal people's doesn't. Most people don't make it that far. And very few gets to enjoy the luxuries associated with that.
But as you've clearly noticed, there's a backside: All public figures, warranted or not, receive slanderous comments everywhere across the internet where internet egg-heads like ourselves can post comments.
Tough shit. It's a internet-wide problem. It's like a law of sorts. Should we call it Zed's law? The problem is that nobody knows what the solution is. Nope. None.
Blaming Paul for not making a special-case of you and comments written about you on a site who is supposed to be as open and transparent as possible (or at least likes to pretend so) doesn't make much sense. It honestly makes you look like an entitled child wanting special treatment others cannot expect.
I'm not sure what the solution is, but if your beef is how your public figure is reflected via HN, posts and drama like this is not likely to help.
Cheers.
- Some random internet egg-head, but at least not a anon or throw-away. Hope that makes you feel better.